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I'm going to say some things here that some people find offensive. But note, no offense is intended and it's just my opinion on the way of the world. If you thi

I'm going to say some things here that some people find offensive. But note, no offense is intended and it's just my opinion on the way of the world. If you think differently, I respect that. Anyway... I think there's a certain reality about male behavior that just can't be ignored. If a woman locks her self up in a place with a bunch of single men this type of stuff is bound to be more likely to happen. The only reason why this doesn't happen in the real world is because of a 50/50 gender ratio. Men are satisfied with a partner and they enforce gender equality rights because they care about their partner and they care about their daughters. Remove those incentives and they will care less, it's biological reality. You remove women from a mans life and all that's left is higher level notions of morality versus base level sexual instincts. His base instincts won't be satisfied and he's just relying on what he's "taught" to dictate and control his urges. Among a high enough population those base instincts are going to override morality among a good percentage of single men. There's really no ideal solution to this. It's largely what women will experience in the military as well if they're embedded in a situation where the men have no outlet. They will unfortunately witness the darker side of men. That's not to say women don't have a dark side too, but that's a different topic. I mean what are you going to do? Send more men to the antarctic to protect those women? Who's willing to go? I bet a bunch of young single men are down for this.... Anyway I said there weren't ideal solutions to this problem but there are solutions... None offer a complete solution, none are ideal.. but they do mitigate the problem somewhat. 1. Offer free porn to the men. This largely helps men control and release their urges. 2. She needs to partner up with a man. Men will be less likely to mess with her if they know she's partnered up with another dude. Of course a man will only provide protection service if he's provided certain value as well. 3. Send Prostitutes. This causes other problems, but it does alleviate the issue of this topic. 4. Enforce even gender ratios. This would cut down the amount of people going to antartica though because many women just don't want to go.

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demarq 3y ago
A reply to your points (each numbered respectively). 1. Porn is already free and available. So I’m not sure why you assume it isn’t. I’m sure the men can acquire it themselves. 2. Exchanging sex for physical protection, is still having to have sex just to be on the base. It’s just easier all round to remove men on the base that can’t control themselves, than invent an extraordinary sex protection fighting system. 3. hiring an extra team of people for the purpose of sexually satisfying the men, sounds like added and complexity and cost. Again it seems the solution is to remove men who are incapable of doing science things without groping and pinning fellow colleagues to the wall. 4. I actually support your 4th idea. more women definitely equalises the influence over the culture at the base, especially if it includes the leadership. Perhaps the first step to achieve that ratio is to remove the men that can’t control themselves. You have a great reason to kick them off the base, kind of works out really. I’d like to suggest a number 5 solution. since it’s a place of science and experimentation we should see what happens if we remove all the men who are accused of SH and SA. What would be the changes we would see?
- corethree 3y ago
  1. It is. It would be a lot worse if it wasn't available. More of it will help. 2. I don't think you understand human nature. Inventing sex for protection isn't a thing that I made up it's one of the foundational institutions of marriage and monogamous relationships throughout human civilization. You think a man will engage in a sexless relationship with a woman and offer her all the benefits of a relationship with no sex in return? No. The woman's best strategy is to pair up with a man and get protection if that's what she wants. Sex is part of the transaction. Woman have been doing this for eons what I suggest here is no different. Additionally you can't just remove men who have no control over their sexual urges. First off men hide the amount of control they have, so you won't know. Second off almost all men eventually take the risk if they're deprived long enough. 3. Like I said. Non ideal solution. But this works. And it has worked to pacify urges in places where there's a large amount of men. 4. And like I said the problem here is women don't want to go to Antarctica. It's men who are more willing to take the risk and go. Women tend to value more balanced choices while men are willing to go to extremes to satisfy particular objectives. So if you enforce this you'll restrict the population by a huge amount. Not to mention this is sexist gender policy designed to favor women. 5. You can't. Large numbers of men engage in this behavior. Most of it is harmless and of the nature of catcalling. You remove these men you'll remove over half the population. Also you can't prove these men did it. Second it's only a matter of time. All men have sexual urges and all of this becomes stronger the more they are deprived.. You seem to think that the population of men can be divided into two. Good men and bad men. Bro. Its more complicated then that. It's a gradient and different situations and circumstances can cause any man to shift on that gradient. Also most of the men tough enough to go to Antarctica aren't exactly the types that are submissive.
lastdong 3y ago
What you need is education (on how to respect and behave around other people, on what principles to follow in a evolved society) and being a decent person. Not much to ask is it?
- corethree 3y ago
  Lock a bunch of men with a few women on island. Do it with a limited amount of food. See what decency is left. If you want decency education is not the only thing required. Environment matters. You need food, you need resources. For men they need an outlet for sexual urges. This is reality. If you a think foundation of decency is purely built on "education" then you need to see reality for what it truly is.
  - lastdong 3y ago
    Are they animals? If so, they should be kept in a pigsty. Hey, people are not food. Honestly, have a think of what you just wrote, you’re comparing the most reprehensible, inappropriate, and intolerable behaviour with life-and-death decisions. And this just made me think that we aleady ventured into criminal territory. Not just women can suffer, but also men, from other men, women, from predators. The worse is systematic behaviour, when it becomes common place because it’s being ignored.
    - corethree 3y ago
      What do you think Antarctica is? The entire place is a life and death situation. Resources are sent to Antarctica to prevent it from degrading to a "reprehensible" situation. The entire reason why people aren't eating each other is because of this. You send "education" instead of resources you'd be insane and you'd lack understanding of the base cause of a lot of human evil. It definitely doesn't stem from lack of education. Sexual Harassment is quite common place across the world where there's men. You will see that the rate of harassment increases with sex imbalance. Just look at male prisons. The woman ironically must rely on men for protection from other men. And this is the fundamental problem with Antarctica because of the population imbalance.
corinroyal 3y ago
Let's see if I understand your take: Men are naturally amoral and violent. We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. --- Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator.
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- lusus_naturae 3y ago
  Yeah, promise of punishment is an effective deterrent for a lot of this behavior.
  - corethree 3y ago
    What are you going to do? Make a police force and jail in the Antarctic to punish people? Again who are the people willing to go to Antarctica to form these systems of justice? Single Men. You will be further enlarging the ratio of men to women, and thus further exacerbating the problem.
- corethree 3y ago
  >Men are naturally amoral and violent. No. Humans have competing instincts that dictate behavior. It is a multivariate situation that is highly complex. If I am starving, my survival and hunger instinct will take over. I will violate all my moral imperatives to fulfill that survival instinct. In men, sexual instinct is strong. Not as strong as survival, but certainly way more stronger than women. It's so strong that it basically manifests itself as an urge. If you deprive men away from fulfilling these desires it becomes almost like hunger. It's biology. Men are just built this way. It is what it is. >We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. No. The victims choose to put themselves in a dangerous environment. You cannot change the behavior of a starving man. The only real way to do it is to feed the man. I am offering the best solution should the woman choose to put her self in that position. As a feminist you demand more. You demand the starving man to conduct himself in obedience to the law, to conduct his behavior according to morals and education. That is a view point that is not inline with reality. People have to eat. Sexual urges for men are not as strong as hunger, that is admittedly an exaggeration to help you understand. But I will say that sexual urges in men are extremely strong, so strong that the comparison is highly apt. You cannot hope to control it by going on a protest. You have to realize feminism exists mainly because there are a lot of men who support the movement. Should all men on earth decide to be against feminism, the movement will die. A lot of these men support the movement because they have wives, daughters and girlfriends they care about. Single men can support feminism too, but they have a lot less incentive to do so. These single men make up a huge portion of the people in Antarctica. >Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. Then don't. You should understand male psychology and deal with the situation realistically rather then demand some unrealistic ideal be upheld. Men built civilization, we built the law and societies that both genders live in. It is only within the last century that the concept of gender equality has come to fruition. But the biological reality of the difference between sexes is still very real and tradition of centuries of human society cannot be simply erased. If we want true gender equality we have to attack it from a realistic angle. We have to acknowledge dark realities of both male (and female) behavior and achieve equality through true scientific understanding. The situation in Antarctica was just a time bomb waiting to happen. It's obvious. This idea that we expect people to just behave according to some ideal when it that ideal goes against human nature and biology is crazy. It just won't work. >Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. That stereotypical view is familiar to everyone. Everyone recognizes an aspect of it as a sort of general truth. All men in general feel dark sexual urges and we all somewhat understand the desires behind why a man would choose to rape a woman. What isn't recognized among feminists (and society in general) is that women have a very dark aspect about them as well. But that's another topic. >As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator. This is another problem with people. These random assumptions. I wasn't talking about accountability here. I was talking about solutions to solve the problem. Accountability is a different topic. I'm not saying whether those harassers are right or wrong (I think they're wrong) I'm saying the steps that need to be done to solve the problem. You are relying on "accountability" to solve the problem as if that matters in Antarctica. They are cut off from contact from the rest of society. Woman can't go the traditional institutions that are normally there to assist them and ask for help. You can try to rebuild those institutions in Antarctica, but realize those institutions will be made up of lonely single men because those are mostly the only people willing to go there. It's just reality.

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demarq 3y ago

A reply to your points (each numbered respectively). 1. Porn is already free and available. So I’m not sure why you assume it isn’t. I’m sure the men can acquire it themselves. 2. Exchanging sex for physical protection, is still having to have sex just to be on the base. It’s just easier all round to remove men on the base that can’t control themselves, than invent an extraordinary sex protection fighting system. 3. hiring an extra team of people for the purpose of sexually satisfying the men, sounds like added and complexity and cost. Again it seems the solution is to remove men who are incapable of doing science things without groping and pinning fellow colleagues to the wall. 4. I actually support your 4th idea. more women definitely equalises the influence over the culture at the base, especially if it includes the leadership. Perhaps the first step to achieve that ratio is to remove the men that can’t control themselves. You have a great reason to kick them off the base, kind of works out really. I’d like to suggest a number 5 solution. since it’s a place of science and experimentation we should see what happens if we remove all the men who are accused of SH and SA. What would be the changes we would see?

corethree 3y ago
1. It is. It would be a lot worse if it wasn't available. More of it will help. 2. I don't think you understand human nature. Inventing sex for protection isn't a thing that I made up it's one of the foundational institutions of marriage and monogamous relationships throughout human civilization. You think a man will engage in a sexless relationship with a woman and offer her all the benefits of a relationship with no sex in return? No. The woman's best strategy is to pair up with a man and get protection if that's what she wants. Sex is part of the transaction. Woman have been doing this for eons what I suggest here is no different. Additionally you can't just remove men who have no control over their sexual urges. First off men hide the amount of control they have, so you won't know. Second off almost all men eventually take the risk if they're deprived long enough. 3. Like I said. Non ideal solution. But this works. And it has worked to pacify urges in places where there's a large amount of men. 4. And like I said the problem here is women don't want to go to Antarctica. It's men who are more willing to take the risk and go. Women tend to value more balanced choices while men are willing to go to extremes to satisfy particular objectives. So if you enforce this you'll restrict the population by a huge amount. Not to mention this is sexist gender policy designed to favor women. 5. You can't. Large numbers of men engage in this behavior. Most of it is harmless and of the nature of catcalling. You remove these men you'll remove over half the population. Also you can't prove these men did it. Second it's only a matter of time. All men have sexual urges and all of this becomes stronger the more they are deprived.. You seem to think that the population of men can be divided into two. Good men and bad men. Bro. Its more complicated then that. It's a gradient and different situations and circumstances can cause any man to shift on that gradient. Also most of the men tough enough to go to Antarctica aren't exactly the types that are submissive.

lastdong 3y ago

What you need is education (on how to respect and behave around other people, on what principles to follow in a evolved society) and being a decent person. Not much to ask is it?

corethree 3y ago
Lock a bunch of men with a few women on island. Do it with a limited amount of food. See what decency is left. If you want decency education is not the only thing required. Environment matters. You need food, you need resources. For men they need an outlet for sexual urges. This is reality. If you a think foundation of decency is purely built on "education" then you need to see reality for what it truly is.
- lastdong 3y ago
  Are they animals? If so, they should be kept in a pigsty. Hey, people are not food. Honestly, have a think of what you just wrote, you’re comparing the most reprehensible, inappropriate, and intolerable behaviour with life-and-death decisions. And this just made me think that we aleady ventured into criminal territory. Not just women can suffer, but also men, from other men, women, from predators. The worse is systematic behaviour, when it becomes common place because it’s being ignored.
  - corethree 3y ago
    What do you think Antarctica is? The entire place is a life and death situation. Resources are sent to Antarctica to prevent it from degrading to a "reprehensible" situation. The entire reason why people aren't eating each other is because of this. You send "education" instead of resources you'd be insane and you'd lack understanding of the base cause of a lot of human evil. It definitely doesn't stem from lack of education. Sexual Harassment is quite common place across the world where there's men. You will see that the rate of harassment increases with sex imbalance. Just look at male prisons. The woman ironically must rely on men for protection from other men. And this is the fundamental problem with Antarctica because of the population imbalance.

corinroyal 3y ago

Let's see if I understand your take: Men are naturally amoral and violent. We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. --- Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator.

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lusus_naturae 3y ago
Yeah, promise of punishment is an effective deterrent for a lot of this behavior.
- corethree 3y ago
  What are you going to do? Make a police force and jail in the Antarctic to punish people? Again who are the people willing to go to Antarctica to form these systems of justice? Single Men. You will be further enlarging the ratio of men to women, and thus further exacerbating the problem.
corethree 3y ago
>Men are naturally amoral and violent. No. Humans have competing instincts that dictate behavior. It is a multivariate situation that is highly complex. If I am starving, my survival and hunger instinct will take over. I will violate all my moral imperatives to fulfill that survival instinct. In men, sexual instinct is strong. Not as strong as survival, but certainly way more stronger than women. It's so strong that it basically manifests itself as an urge. If you deprive men away from fulfilling these desires it becomes almost like hunger. It's biology. Men are just built this way. It is what it is. >We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. No. The victims choose to put themselves in a dangerous environment. You cannot change the behavior of a starving man. The only real way to do it is to feed the man. I am offering the best solution should the woman choose to put her self in that position. As a feminist you demand more. You demand the starving man to conduct himself in obedience to the law, to conduct his behavior according to morals and education. That is a view point that is not inline with reality. People have to eat. Sexual urges for men are not as strong as hunger, that is admittedly an exaggeration to help you understand. But I will say that sexual urges in men are extremely strong, so strong that the comparison is highly apt. You cannot hope to control it by going on a protest. You have to realize feminism exists mainly because there are a lot of men who support the movement. Should all men on earth decide to be against feminism, the movement will die. A lot of these men support the movement because they have wives, daughters and girlfriends they care about. Single men can support feminism too, but they have a lot less incentive to do so. These single men make up a huge portion of the people in Antarctica. >Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. Then don't. You should understand male psychology and deal with the situation realistically rather then demand some unrealistic ideal be upheld. Men built civilization, we built the law and societies that both genders live in. It is only within the last century that the concept of gender equality has come to fruition. But the biological reality of the difference between sexes is still very real and tradition of centuries of human society cannot be simply erased. If we want true gender equality we have to attack it from a realistic angle. We have to acknowledge dark realities of both male (and female) behavior and achieve equality through true scientific understanding. The situation in Antarctica was just a time bomb waiting to happen. It's obvious. This idea that we expect people to just behave according to some ideal when it that ideal goes against human nature and biology is crazy. It just won't work. >Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. That stereotypical view is familiar to everyone. Everyone recognizes an aspect of it as a sort of general truth. All men in general feel dark sexual urges and we all somewhat understand the desires behind why a man would choose to rape a woman. What isn't recognized among feminists (and society in general) is that women have a very dark aspect about them as well. But that's another topic. >As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator. This is another problem with people. These random assumptions. I wasn't talking about accountability here. I was talking about solutions to solve the problem. Accountability is a different topic. I'm not saying whether those harassers are right or wrong (I think they're wrong) I'm saying the steps that need to be done to solve the problem. You are relying on "accountability" to solve the problem as if that matters in Antarctica. They are cut off from contact from the rest of society. Woman can't go the traditional institutions that are normally there to assist them and ask for help. You can try to rebuild those institutions in Antarctica, but realize those institutions will be made up of lonely single men because those are mostly the only people willing to go there. It's just reality.