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Can you elaborate on this? In particular, the use of "everyone" -- do you really mean everyone? Can you describe some of the common arguments about why not ever

Can you elaborate on this? In particular, the use of "everyone" -- do you really mean everyone? Can you describe some of the common arguments about why not everyone can have an app and explain why they are logically wrong?

gochi 3y ago
Yes, I mean everyone. What we currently deal with are artificial limits imposed by gatekeepers (app stores), and web developers (particularly ones that want to use backend as collateral control). Neither of these are technical problems that should exist.
- sickcodebruh 3y ago
  That reads quite differently from your statement. The limits imposed by app stores are real challenges that keep people from building apps. That’s a very logical reason to avoid it. It seems your original statement would be better phrased, “There is no logical reason why there should be so many boundaries preventing everyone from having an app.” But even then, it ignores the technical hurdles an individual or organization must leap to build an app. Languages and ecosystems to learn, full of idiosyncrasies and best practices. Complexities of deployment pipelines, seeking incompatibilities between devices. I’ve worked with Android before and lemme tell you, I’ll move to a different industry before I do that again. (Kotlin is wonderful, at least!) Compared to web, where you pick the browsers you want to support and it works. Where there is constant warfare between vendors to improve performance and get closer to the native experience. Where you have a massive pool of talent and a low barrier to entry. How is this even close?
  - nsonha 3y ago
    Obviously they're arguing from a pragmatic point of view, as opposed to one in which we (some) software engineers somehow control reality and successfully impose that's ideal to them.
nsonha 3y ago
Does the average user have their homescreen on the phone full of web apps bookmarked? I don't think so.

gochi 3y ago

Yes, I mean everyone. What we currently deal with are artificial limits imposed by gatekeepers (app stores), and web developers (particularly ones that want to use backend as collateral control). Neither of these are technical problems that should exist.

sickcodebruh 3y ago
That reads quite differently from your statement. The limits imposed by app stores are real challenges that keep people from building apps. That’s a very logical reason to avoid it. It seems your original statement would be better phrased, “There is no logical reason why there should be so many boundaries preventing everyone from having an app.” But even then, it ignores the technical hurdles an individual or organization must leap to build an app. Languages and ecosystems to learn, full of idiosyncrasies and best practices. Complexities of deployment pipelines, seeking incompatibilities between devices. I’ve worked with Android before and lemme tell you, I’ll move to a different industry before I do that again. (Kotlin is wonderful, at least!) Compared to web, where you pick the browsers you want to support and it works. Where there is constant warfare between vendors to improve performance and get closer to the native experience. Where you have a massive pool of talent and a low barrier to entry. How is this even close?
- nsonha 3y ago
  Obviously they're arguing from a pragmatic point of view, as opposed to one in which we (some) software engineers somehow control reality and successfully impose that's ideal to them.

nsonha 3y ago

Does the average user have their homescreen on the phone full of web apps bookmarked? I don't think so.