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It's amusing that you are certain that you know his customers better than he does. I believe that you are utterly wrong, and if not most than certainly many peo

by zaat 3y ago

It's amusing that you are certain that you know his customers better than he does. I believe that you are utterly wrong, and if not most than certainly many people who use public transport and smartphones have never or nearly never been using websites on their phones, many of them haven't been using websites on a computer two - this is very typical of the non-technical people, especially those who are members of the younger and the older generations.

mvdtnz 3y ago
I guess that's why no one uses The Internet or Web Browsers. Pack it in, fellas, the web is a passing fad.
- zaat 3y ago
  That's not what I said, I live half my life within browsers. But big chunk of the population that you are probably not thinking about is not like that. My mother in law is using browser to read on her computer, and will never do that on her phone - the screen is too small and the whole experience not something that fits someone at her age. On the other hand, my children use apps since they are two years old, and at the age of seven they still rarely if ever used browser.
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    The screen is too small to use a web browser, but not too small to use an app? Can you explain what you mean? This doesn't seem at all reasonable.
    - zaat 3y ago
      The screen isn't too small to use web browser presenting site that looks just like the app, obviously. It is too small for comfortably reading or using the browser in general, so using the phone's browser for searching stuff on google is something that many older people simply don't do (in my anecdotal experience, I have no hard data to back this claim up). Searching for the train times in city z, going into a web site and finding that it is actually identical to the app and just as useful is something that is very unlikely to happen to my mother-in-law.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      My 80 year old dad struggles trying to type on his phone. He uses voice to search YouTube videos for sermons, music, how to videos and to make calls.
    - anders_p 3y ago
      There are a lot of websites that don't scale well with small screens. Just the simple trick of zooming in on a website with a "2 finger pinch/pull" is something a big part of the population doesn't even know how to do. I know my mom would probably just give up. Buttons on many websites are way too small for some people to use. Those are never an issue on native apps. The UI on apps scale with the size of a phone's screen. No matter if you have the smallest iPhone or the largest Android. This alone is enough for many people to not use the web browser unless absolutely necessary.
  - curt15 3y ago
    >On the other hand, my children use apps since they are two years old, and at the age of seven they still rarely if ever used browser. Most of the people writing on HN were first exposed to the internet through web browsers. On the other hand, children these days who grow up with smartphones first interact with the internet through phone apps. Do they have any difficulty adapting to the unfiltered web when they grow older?
    - zaat 3y ago
      I sure hope not. I don't have definitive first hand experience though as my kids are not old enough to have to use a computer and they haven't grow much interest in that direction. When my dad's first PC arrived home it was for me the most exiting thing ever, but it didn't have to compete with a smartphone.

by zaat 3y ago

mvdtnz 3y ago

I guess that's why no one uses The Internet or Web Browsers. Pack it in, fellas, the web is a passing fad.

zaat 3y ago
That's not what I said, I live half my life within browsers. But big chunk of the population that you are probably not thinking about is not like that. My mother in law is using browser to read on her computer, and will never do that on her phone - the screen is too small and the whole experience not something that fits someone at her age. On the other hand, my children use apps since they are two years old, and at the age of seven they still rarely if ever used browser.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  The screen is too small to use a web browser, but not too small to use an app? Can you explain what you mean? This doesn't seem at all reasonable.
  - zaat 3y ago
    The screen isn't too small to use web browser presenting site that looks just like the app, obviously. It is too small for comfortably reading or using the browser in general, so using the phone's browser for searching stuff on google is something that many older people simply don't do (in my anecdotal experience, I have no hard data to back this claim up). Searching for the train times in city z, going into a web site and finding that it is actually identical to the app and just as useful is something that is very unlikely to happen to my mother-in-law.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    My 80 year old dad struggles trying to type on his phone. He uses voice to search YouTube videos for sermons, music, how to videos and to make calls.
  - anders_p 3y ago
    There are a lot of websites that don't scale well with small screens. Just the simple trick of zooming in on a website with a "2 finger pinch/pull" is something a big part of the population doesn't even know how to do. I know my mom would probably just give up. Buttons on many websites are way too small for some people to use. Those are never an issue on native apps. The UI on apps scale with the size of a phone's screen. No matter if you have the smallest iPhone or the largest Android. This alone is enough for many people to not use the web browser unless absolutely necessary.
- curt15 3y ago
  >On the other hand, my children use apps since they are two years old, and at the age of seven they still rarely if ever used browser. Most of the people writing on HN were first exposed to the internet through web browsers. On the other hand, children these days who grow up with smartphones first interact with the internet through phone apps. Do they have any difficulty adapting to the unfiltered web when they grow older?
  - zaat 3y ago
    I sure hope not. I don't have definitive first hand experience though as my kids are not old enough to have to use a computer and they haven't grow much interest in that direction. When my dad's first PC arrived home it was for me the most exiting thing ever, but it didn't have to compete with a smartphone.