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This is amazingly fast to my eyes. I am endlessly annoyed by slow interfaces. At $DAYJOB I have to use a web and desktop GUI for managing CheckPoint firewalls.

This is amazingly fast to my eyes. I am endlessly annoyed by slow interfaces. At $DAYJOB I have to use a web and desktop GUI for managing CheckPoint firewalls. These often will freeze for dozens of seconds, and generally make my computer crawl. I feel that this should not be acceptable in 2023.

eterps 3y ago
The D forum is also quite fast: https://forum.dlang.org/ https://forum.dlang.org/
- hxii 3y ago
  Reminds me of bbPress, at least visually.
aleph_minus_one 3y ago
> I am endlessly annoyed by slow interfaces. At $DAYJOB I have to use a web and desktop GUI for managing CheckPoint firewalls. These often will freeze for dozens of seconds, and generally make my computer crawl. I feel that this should not be acceptable in 2023. This is probably not a problem of the principal slowness of the software. With a high likelihood (source: personal programming experience of my colleagues and me), the root cause when the GUI freezes in such situation is typically rather that some operation that needs a little bit of time (say, a server request) is done in the GUI thread, thus blocking the processing of any other event (message). Windows programming is very sensitive in this regard.
- fredrikholm 3y ago
  > and generally make my computer crawl. Sounds like its worse than that.
briHass 3y ago
This is one of the reasons I really like the Mikrotik network gear, because of the Winbox application for management. It's Windows Forms (GDI) in the MDI style of most Windows apps of circa 2000. Lightning fast, responsive, and with nice touches like being able to drag files on/off the interface to upload/download and the ability to copy/paste entries like they were lines in a text file. I know why the web for UI took over, but I sure do miss Windows forms-based applications. The web is fine for the UI to a bank or some other tool you don't interact with that often, but for tools where you can spend hours working inside, browser-based interfaces are terrible.
- theamk 3y ago
  Also unusable by many people - I see mostly macbooks around me, with some Linux laptops or Chromebooks. Windows is for those super-low-privileged users who cannot be trusted with their own system and need IT to manage them; or for gamers. And yes, I can probably run the management software in wine, but I will avoid it if I can.
  - briHass 3y ago
    They recommend and 'support' running it in Wine. I haven't tried, but I'm sure it works fine given Wine tends to work best with no frills Win apps from a decade ago.

eterps 3y ago

The D forum is also quite fast: https://forum.dlang.org/ https://forum.dlang.org/

hxii 3y ago
Reminds me of bbPress, at least visually.

aleph_minus_one 3y ago

> I am endlessly annoyed by slow interfaces. At $DAYJOB I have to use a web and desktop GUI for managing CheckPoint firewalls. These often will freeze for dozens of seconds, and generally make my computer crawl. I feel that this should not be acceptable in 2023. This is probably not a problem of the principal slowness of the software. With a high likelihood (source: personal programming experience of my colleagues and me), the root cause when the GUI freezes in such situation is typically rather that some operation that needs a little bit of time (say, a server request) is done in the GUI thread, thus blocking the processing of any other event (message). Windows programming is very sensitive in this regard.

fredrikholm 3y ago
> and generally make my computer crawl. Sounds like its worse than that.

briHass 3y ago

This is one of the reasons I really like the Mikrotik network gear, because of the Winbox application for management. It's Windows Forms (GDI) in the MDI style of most Windows apps of circa 2000. Lightning fast, responsive, and with nice touches like being able to drag files on/off the interface to upload/download and the ability to copy/paste entries like they were lines in a text file. I know why the web for UI took over, but I sure do miss Windows forms-based applications. The web is fine for the UI to a bank or some other tool you don't interact with that often, but for tools where you can spend hours working inside, browser-based interfaces are terrible.

theamk 3y ago
Also unusable by many people - I see mostly macbooks around me, with some Linux laptops or Chromebooks. Windows is for those super-low-privileged users who cannot be trusted with their own system and need IT to manage them; or for gamers. And yes, I can probably run the management software in wine, but I will avoid it if I can.
- briHass 3y ago
  They recommend and 'support' running it in Wine. I haven't tried, but I'm sure it works fine given Wine tends to work best with no frills Win apps from a decade ago.