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You don't have to drive to work, some of us walk and use transit. If the reason to not go into the office is to not risk some accident out in the world, then y

You don't have to drive to work, some of us walk and use transit. If the reason to not go into the office is to not risk some accident out in the world, then you might as well also not go to stores, out to restaurants, or movies or shows. You shouldn't even go to a park, and certainly never travel just for fun. Just stay in your house at all times. That sounds like a horrible way to live to me. There are other reasons to prefer WFH, but fear of the world shouldn't be one of them, IMO.

kthejoker2 3y ago
This is truly amazingly poor reasoning rhetoric. Your entire argument is two straw men. Fallacy 1: I can work from home; I can't see a movie on the big screen or visit a park from home. Your analogy has improper premises. Fallacy 2: Many offices, work locations, and entire cities are not walkable and have poor transit. This is your first straw man argument. Fallacy 3: The activities you listed are presumed to be more enjoyable than driving into work, so the cost benefit risk profile for traveling to them is different. Fallacy 4: Most driving to work is done simultaneously with others aka in much heavier traffic, significantly increasing the risk of commuting vs other driving. Fallacy 5: Work driving will occur much more frequently and over typically much longer periods of time than the events you listed. As your risk of accidents rise proportionally to time on the road, these again are not equally weighted. In short: nobody with a driving-only commute who does not want to RTO is also saying they don't want to go to parks or restaurants or travel. This is your second straw man. Please bring logical arguments and not straw men.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  They aren't trying to disprove your argument, simply stating that "increase health concerns" is a poor argument to begin with. You can agreed with a stance and disagree with the arguments. >Most driving to work is done simultaneously with others aka in much heavier traffic, significantly increasing the risk of commuting vs other driving. In most major US cities, there honestly isn't much difference anymore. There's always too much traffic, even at the slowest parts of the day.
zer8k 3y ago
> There are other reasons to prefer WFH, but fear of the world shouldn't be one of them, IMO. I'm not afraid of the world. When I am not paid commensurate to the risk I won't take it. If they paid me for the transit time in from home to the office and back I'd be worth $50-60k more. It gets worse with pagerduty. You're on-call and can't take an hour to get home lest there be an incident to need to respond to. So now you're stuck at the office until late at night doing unpaid labor. Driving home tired is a lot of fun too, aint it! The "drive to work" situation is not only dangerous it's outright wage theft. Why should I want to collaborate. Anyway, nice strawman.
- spankalee 3y ago
  The problems you stated are with driving and long commutes, not going to an office.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >I'm not afraid of the world. When I am not paid commensurate to the risk I won't take it. Do you need to be paid to go to the grocery store or is everything Insta carted to you because you care about your health more than finances? It's just such a werid argument to make. It is more convinent, but let's not act like the act of getting outside (an act our industry is stigmatized against) is endangering our health.

kthejoker2 3y ago

This is truly amazingly poor reasoning rhetoric. Your entire argument is two straw men. Fallacy 1: I can work from home; I can't see a movie on the big screen or visit a park from home. Your analogy has improper premises. Fallacy 2: Many offices, work locations, and entire cities are not walkable and have poor transit. This is your first straw man argument. Fallacy 3: The activities you listed are presumed to be more enjoyable than driving into work, so the cost benefit risk profile for traveling to them is different. Fallacy 4: Most driving to work is done simultaneously with others aka in much heavier traffic, significantly increasing the risk of commuting vs other driving. Fallacy 5: Work driving will occur much more frequently and over typically much longer periods of time than the events you listed. As your risk of accidents rise proportionally to time on the road, these again are not equally weighted. In short: nobody with a driving-only commute who does not want to RTO is also saying they don't want to go to parks or restaurants or travel. This is your second straw man. Please bring logical arguments and not straw men.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
They aren't trying to disprove your argument, simply stating that "increase health concerns" is a poor argument to begin with. You can agreed with a stance and disagree with the arguments. >Most driving to work is done simultaneously with others aka in much heavier traffic, significantly increasing the risk of commuting vs other driving. In most major US cities, there honestly isn't much difference anymore. There's always too much traffic, even at the slowest parts of the day.

zer8k 3y ago

> There are other reasons to prefer WFH, but fear of the world shouldn't be one of them, IMO. I'm not afraid of the world. When I am not paid commensurate to the risk I won't take it. If they paid me for the transit time in from home to the office and back I'd be worth $50-60k more. It gets worse with pagerduty. You're on-call and can't take an hour to get home lest there be an incident to need to respond to. So now you're stuck at the office until late at night doing unpaid labor. Driving home tired is a lot of fun too, aint it! The "drive to work" situation is not only dangerous it's outright wage theft. Why should I want to collaborate. Anyway, nice strawman.

spankalee 3y ago
The problems you stated are with driving and long commutes, not going to an office.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>I'm not afraid of the world. When I am not paid commensurate to the risk I won't take it. Do you need to be paid to go to the grocery store or is everything Insta carted to you because you care about your health more than finances? It's just such a werid argument to make. It is more convinent, but let's not act like the act of getting outside (an act our industry is stigmatized against) is endangering our health.