I agree! My point is that this is where both the hypers and the dismissers have gotten it wrong for me. So many hypers are just talking about something that is

I agree! My point is that this is where both the hypers and the dismissers have gotten it wrong for me. So many hypers are just talking about something that isn't what I'm interested in; about whether it's AGI, rather than whether it's useful. And the dismissers are just missing or denying that it is useful, and for me, it definitely is. Both of these groups just seem to be talking past each other and focusing on the wrong metrics, from my perspective.