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Do teachers as we know them even exist in a world where that idea of tutoring goes to scale ? I don't think they do. It sounds more like a world, where in pers

Do teachers as we know them even exist in a world where that idea of tutoring goes to scale ? I don't think they do. It sounds more like a world, where in person testing and certification is extremely important when a human skill needs to be evaluated.

lewhoo 3y ago
Do teachers as we know them even exist in a world where that idea of tutoring goes to scale ? Do students as we know them even exist in such a world ? I'm thinking if AI can effectively teach (AI asks questions to the student, gives feedback and leads the lesson, reacts to situational events, maintains discipline etc.) then AI can also do. Aside from the romantic take of learning for the pleasure of learning why would we assume that such AI teachers aren't also going to be AI employees. Why would humans even have the drive to learn stuff on a mass scale if the main or one of the main motivators for education is the market (or is it ?).
- lisper 3y ago
  > Why would humans even have the drive to learn stuff Because someone still has to make decisions. Much as the educational-industrial complex would have you believe otherwise, living the good life does not equate with getting the right answers on standardized tests. One of the unfortunate aspects of the education system we've built over the last several hundred years is that it conceals this from most people. This is because the purpose of the system is to feed a societal system where a very small number of people make decisions and the rest are expected simply to obey orders. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it's really important not to lose sight of the fact that replacing the current education system with AI is not the same as replacing educated people with AI, or even the same as replacing all of education with AI.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Until we decide that decisions can also be made by AI, that is.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Plenty of people have already made the decision to delegate decisions to AI. We generally hear about this under headlines like "man attempts to drive into ocean while following satnav" or "flash crash in stock market caused by algorithmic traders" or https://money.cnn.com/2013/03/05/smallbusiness/keep-calm-and-carry-on/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2013/03/05/smallbusiness/keep-calm-and...
      - MathMonkeyMan 3y ago
        > Plenty of people have already made the decision to delegate decisions to AI. That got me thinking.
    - lisper 3y ago
      The problem is that decisions can only be made with respect to some quality metric, and deciding what that should be cannot be delegated. Only you can know what you want.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - ben_w 3y ago
        The other problem is we often say "it's common sense!" as a result of someone (or something) else following our metrics in a technically correct way that's totally not what we meant.
fragmede 3y ago
As we know it? I don't think so. The tutors scale up, but so can the testing. Instead of standardized testing, every student can get interviewed as if the teacher had only them as a student and be given an in-depth assessment of their skills and knowledge, rather than being simplified to a letter grade. Pedagogy is an area of study outside of my expertise, but I do know there are institutions that didn't give grades.

lewhoo 3y ago

Do teachers as we know them even exist in a world where that idea of tutoring goes to scale ? Do students as we know them even exist in such a world ? I'm thinking if AI can effectively teach (AI asks questions to the student, gives feedback and leads the lesson, reacts to situational events, maintains discipline etc.) then AI can also do. Aside from the romantic take of learning for the pleasure of learning why would we assume that such AI teachers aren't also going to be AI employees. Why would humans even have the drive to learn stuff on a mass scale if the main or one of the main motivators for education is the market (or is it ?).

lisper 3y ago
> Why would humans even have the drive to learn stuff Because someone still has to make decisions. Much as the educational-industrial complex would have you believe otherwise, living the good life does not equate with getting the right answers on standardized tests. One of the unfortunate aspects of the education system we've built over the last several hundred years is that it conceals this from most people. This is because the purpose of the system is to feed a societal system where a very small number of people make decisions and the rest are expected simply to obey orders. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it's really important not to lose sight of the fact that replacing the current education system with AI is not the same as replacing educated people with AI, or even the same as replacing all of education with AI.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Until we decide that decisions can also be made by AI, that is.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Plenty of people have already made the decision to delegate decisions to AI. We generally hear about this under headlines like "man attempts to drive into ocean while following satnav" or "flash crash in stock market caused by algorithmic traders" or https://money.cnn.com/2013/03/05/smallbusiness/keep-calm-and-carry-on/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2013/03/05/smallbusiness/keep-calm-and...
    - MathMonkeyMan 3y ago
      > Plenty of people have already made the decision to delegate decisions to AI. That got me thinking.
  - lisper 3y ago
    The problem is that decisions can only be made with respect to some quality metric, and deciding what that should be cannot be delegated. Only you can know what you want.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - ben_w 3y ago
      The other problem is we often say "it's common sense!" as a result of someone (or something) else following our metrics in a technically correct way that's totally not what we meant.

fragmede 3y ago

As we know it? I don't think so. The tutors scale up, but so can the testing. Instead of standardized testing, every student can get interviewed as if the teacher had only them as a student and be given an in-depth assessment of their skills and knowledge, rather than being simplified to a letter grade. Pedagogy is an area of study outside of my expertise, but I do know there are institutions that didn't give grades.