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>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Public education is notoriously in

by maxk42 3y ago

>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Public education is notoriously inconsistent and frequently produces children that haven't met minimum educational requirements precisely because it lacks the individual attention kids need.

cogman10 3y ago
>>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. > And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Yeah, I can. Multiple in fact. That's the reason for my initial comment. My experience here isn't exactly unique. Search this threads, there are others raised in these sorts of communities that have similar experiences. You can find these people to if you like. Simply go attend a fundamentalist religion service and ask around their homeschooling programs. It's really not hard to find if you know where to look.
- maxk42 3y ago
  My ex was raised in the FLDS. They were taught to perform fellatio on bananas in school. Notice I didn't say homeschool because they set up their own private schools. Even so - she could read. Despite this, public schools have well-documented results by the score: https://www.nuroretention.com/blog/officials-80-percent-of-recent-nyc-high-school-graduates-cannot-read https://www.nuroretention.com/blog/officials-80-percent-of-r... https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121374125 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121374... https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-student-graduates-without-learning-read-patterson-high-school-project-baltimore-debora-prestileo https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-ci... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/i-couldnt-even-read-the-diploma-now-he-struggles-to-learn-what-schools-didnt-teach-him/2018/01/18/76fb7cc8-fc58-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/i-couldnt-even-read-the... https://phdessay.com/can-illiterate-students-graduate-from-high-school/ https://phdessay.com/can-illiterate-students-graduate-from-h... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/11/01/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-adult-literacy-crisis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/11/... https://www.highschoolcube.com/the-high-rate-of-functional-illiteracy-among-high-school-graduates-in-the-united-states/ https://www.highschoolcube.com/the-high-rate-of-functional-i... And the list goes on. Several of these articles cite a rate of about 20% of adults in the US being functionally illiterate, with about one third unable to read above a 5th-grade level. If homeschooling produces better results than that, then I'm all for it. Again: Kids need individual attention which they can get more readily in a homeschool environment. In large institutional public education systems, they just get "passed along" as they may be one of 30+ students in a class, and one of 5+ classes a teacher has. Public school teachers don't have enough time in a week to spend one-on-one time with each of their students. In the 90s my high school had class sizes of 35+ and I'm sure it's worse now in some schools.
brightlancer 3y ago
> And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. I'm on board with criticism of government schools, but home-schooling isn't perfect and I have seen examples where kids were kept uneducated, up to functionally illiterate. Parents have a right to home-school their kids. There will be kids that come out poorly -- it's going to be _fewer_ than if they'd gone to government schools.

by maxk42 3y ago

cogman10 3y ago

>>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. > And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Yeah, I can. Multiple in fact. That's the reason for my initial comment. My experience here isn't exactly unique. Search this threads, there are others raised in these sorts of communities that have similar experiences. You can find these people to if you like. Simply go attend a fundamentalist religion service and ask around their homeschooling programs. It's really not hard to find if you know where to look.

maxk42 3y ago
My ex was raised in the FLDS. They were taught to perform fellatio on bananas in school. Notice I didn't say homeschool because they set up their own private schools. Even so - she could read. Despite this, public schools have well-documented results by the score: https://www.nuroretention.com/blog/officials-80-percent-of-recent-nyc-high-school-graduates-cannot-read https://www.nuroretention.com/blog/officials-80-percent-of-r... https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121374125 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121374... https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-student-graduates-without-learning-read-patterson-high-school-project-baltimore-debora-prestileo https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-ci... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/i-couldnt-even-read-the-diploma-now-he-struggles-to-learn-what-schools-didnt-teach-him/2018/01/18/76fb7cc8-fc58-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/i-couldnt-even-read-the... https://phdessay.com/can-illiterate-students-graduate-from-high-school/ https://phdessay.com/can-illiterate-students-graduate-from-h... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/11/01/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-adult-literacy-crisis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/11/... https://www.highschoolcube.com/the-high-rate-of-functional-illiteracy-among-high-school-graduates-in-the-united-states/ https://www.highschoolcube.com/the-high-rate-of-functional-i... And the list goes on. Several of these articles cite a rate of about 20% of adults in the US being functionally illiterate, with about one third unable to read above a 5th-grade level. If homeschooling produces better results than that, then I'm all for it. Again: Kids need individual attention which they can get more readily in a homeschool environment. In large institutional public education systems, they just get "passed along" as they may be one of 30+ students in a class, and one of 5+ classes a teacher has. Public school teachers don't have enough time in a week to spend one-on-one time with each of their students. In the 90s my high school had class sizes of 35+ and I'm sure it's worse now in some schools.

brightlancer 3y ago

> And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. I'm on board with criticism of government schools, but home-schooling isn't perfect and I have seen examples where kids were kept uneducated, up to functionally illiterate. Parents have a right to home-school their kids. There will be kids that come out poorly -- it's going to be _fewer_ than if they'd gone to government schools.