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> When you use your real identity you behave in a way that you will stand behind. Whats the point of 'standing behind' if the consequencz is being arrested and

> When you use your real identity you behave in a way that you will stand behind. Whats the point of 'standing behind' if the consequencz is being arrested and thrown in jail. "Better be alive than right" as the saying goes

SoftTalker 3y ago
> Whats the point of 'standing behind' if the consequencz is being arrested and thrown in jail. See the history of nonviolent protest, civil disobedience, US civil rights movement, etc.
- esafak 3y ago
  It looks like the history of countries with functioning justice systems. How is that strategy working in countries like Russia?
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    How did it work for these people? https://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/civil-rights-memorial/civil-rights-martyrs https://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/civil-rights-memorial/c... I didn't say it was without risk.
    - esafak 3y ago
      Neither did I. I meant to say that such acts have little to no positive effect in dysfunctional systems. After all, every country has activists. Gandhi's nonviolent resistance moved the British but did not persuade Hitler, though he tried. Anyway, these are all good things. I don't mean to dissuade well-meaning activists. Just pointing out that you need to understand the environment you are operating in instead of blindly emulating others.
      - SoftTalker 3y ago
        I think you could say that the US (at least in the South) had a dysfunctional justice system. How many people were beaten or murdered, often by the police, with no consequence or without even a serious investigation? Yet their activism did bring change.
        esafak 3y ago
        I disagree, because the American justice system quickly corrected itself. I think the bar is not having an unblemished record, but being responsive. When the local cops got out of line JFK and LBJ spoke out against it. The DoJ dispatched the feds and created the Civil Rights Division. Some bad cops were not enough to stymie the civil rights movement. Dysfunctional system just don't make progress due to corruption, concentration of power, etc. Of course there are ongoing racism issues but I am not sure it indicates a systemic flaw.
- lost_tourist 3y ago
  that's easy to say when it's the US and you'll probably stay in jail a month or two at most, as opposed to having a loved one thrown in prison, tortured, and then executed because of some political statements that you made

SoftTalker 3y ago

> Whats the point of 'standing behind' if the consequencz is being arrested and thrown in jail. See the history of nonviolent protest, civil disobedience, US civil rights movement, etc.

esafak 3y ago
It looks like the history of countries with functioning justice systems. How is that strategy working in countries like Russia?
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  How did it work for these people? https://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/civil-rights-memorial/civil-rights-martyrs https://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/civil-rights-memorial/c... I didn't say it was without risk.
  - esafak 3y ago
    Neither did I. I meant to say that such acts have little to no positive effect in dysfunctional systems. After all, every country has activists. Gandhi's nonviolent resistance moved the British but did not persuade Hitler, though he tried. Anyway, these are all good things. I don't mean to dissuade well-meaning activists. Just pointing out that you need to understand the environment you are operating in instead of blindly emulating others.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      I think you could say that the US (at least in the South) had a dysfunctional justice system. How many people were beaten or murdered, often by the police, with no consequence or without even a serious investigation? Yet their activism did bring change.
      - esafak 3y ago
        I disagree, because the American justice system quickly corrected itself. I think the bar is not having an unblemished record, but being responsive. When the local cops got out of line JFK and LBJ spoke out against it. The DoJ dispatched the feds and created the Civil Rights Division. Some bad cops were not enough to stymie the civil rights movement. Dysfunctional system just don't make progress due to corruption, concentration of power, etc. Of course there are ongoing racism issues but I am not sure it indicates a systemic flaw.
lost_tourist 3y ago
that's easy to say when it's the US and you'll probably stay in jail a month or two at most, as opposed to having a loved one thrown in prison, tortured, and then executed because of some political statements that you made