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You're understanding but missing a big part: China isn't a factory, it's a country full of people. So there's a lot, for one, the western customers of their pro

You're understanding but missing a big part: China isn't a factory, it's a country full of people. So there's a lot, for one, the western customers of their production don't decide what they as a sovereign nation regulate as far as emissions, and two, removing those emissions is equatable to starving them to death. We are all someone's customer and someone's producer. So it only makes sense to simplify the analysis and ascribe emissions to where they are emitted. Shuffling blame around doesn't get you anywhere, imagine a man who blamed his farts on his wife's cooking. Emissions from China come from China and emissions from Norway come from Norway, we don't blame the energy customers who buy Norwegian energy for Norwegian emissions, we blame Norway.

Fraterkes 3y ago
I don't find this convincing at all. If the producer takes all the responsibility and the consumer none everyone is just incentivized to move their production abroad instead of doing anything constructive. We just need to find a country willing to take all the factories and all the blame, and the rest of the world can call themselves innocent while worldwide emissions stay the same.
- friend_and_foe 3y ago
  That would never happen, because if you don't produce something for other people you don't have the resources to pay someone to produce things for you. But supposing it did... > We just need to find a country willing to take all the factories and all the blame A country that does this for economic benefit isn't to blame for it's own sovereign decision to do this??? Do we absolve the US as the largest energy producer because they sell to customers elsewhere? Norway? Russia? Why is it that China uniquely gets absolved of it's emissions? It has 1.3 billion people, surely the vast majority of their emissions are for it's own domestic economy?
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Fraterkes 3y ago

I don't find this convincing at all. If the producer takes all the responsibility and the consumer none everyone is just incentivized to move their production abroad instead of doing anything constructive. We just need to find a country willing to take all the factories and all the blame, and the rest of the world can call themselves innocent while worldwide emissions stay the same.

friend_and_foe 3y ago
That would never happen, because if you don't produce something for other people you don't have the resources to pay someone to produce things for you. But supposing it did... > We just need to find a country willing to take all the factories and all the blame A country that does this for economic benefit isn't to blame for it's own sovereign decision to do this??? Do we absolve the US as the largest energy producer because they sell to customers elsewhere? Norway? Russia? Why is it that China uniquely gets absolved of it's emissions? It has 1.3 billion people, surely the vast majority of their emissions are for it's own domestic economy?
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