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I think it's really telling that every "pronatalist" in this piece is a man. It is quite easy to go around saying we need more babies when your contribution to

by frob 3y ago

I think it's really telling that every "pronatalist" in this piece is a man. It is quite easy to go around saying we need more babies when your contribution to the process is having sex, not actually growing the child and birthing it. Or, in Musk's case, leaving a string of them throughout the world whom you don't raise.

SomethingNew2 3y ago
Men also help raise the child over their lifetime.
- Someone1234 3y ago
  In general, yes. Specifically the people we're discussion here: No.
llm_thr 3y ago
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- frob 3y ago
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  - llm_thr 3y ago
    What made you say that?
bhouston 3y ago
It is way worse that than for Musk. One of his kids came out as transgender and then Musk went full on anti-transgender and has made being anti-trans much more socially acceptable as a result. That can give your kid trauma for real. That your dad, in response to you coming out, goes around actively hurting the transgender community in real ways.
IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
One could argue that , for Musk case at least, he does a great job fostering babies. What matters is not one's own babies. But "more babies". The more wealth created, the more babies can be supported with the wealth. Musk in particular has created many high paying jibs that are undoubtedly anchoring solid families with strong economic foundation. For Musk, its a prohibitive opportunity cost for him to have babies of his own vs enabling hundres of others doing the same. Musk will not be the face of a fertility campaign. Musk is not the paragon of virtue. But he's helping support tons of families have their babies
- frob 3y ago
  > For Musk, its a prohibitive opportunity cost for him to have babies of his own vs enabling hundres of others doing the same. The guy can almost field a basketball team with his kids from a string of different women. He obviously has no qualms having kids. Raising them on the other hand, seems to be too much of an opportunity cost to the self-proclaimed titan of industry.

by frob 3y ago

SomethingNew2 3y ago

Men also help raise the child over their lifetime.

Someone1234 3y ago
In general, yes. Specifically the people we're discussion here: No.

llm_thr 3y ago

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frob 3y ago
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- llm_thr 3y ago
  What made you say that?

bhouston 3y ago

It is way worse that than for Musk. One of his kids came out as transgender and then Musk went full on anti-transgender and has made being anti-trans much more socially acceptable as a result. That can give your kid trauma for real. That your dad, in response to you coming out, goes around actively hurting the transgender community in real ways.

IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago

One could argue that , for Musk case at least, he does a great job fostering babies. What matters is not one's own babies. But "more babies". The more wealth created, the more babies can be supported with the wealth. Musk in particular has created many high paying jibs that are undoubtedly anchoring solid families with strong economic foundation. For Musk, its a prohibitive opportunity cost for him to have babies of his own vs enabling hundres of others doing the same. Musk will not be the face of a fertility campaign. Musk is not the paragon of virtue. But he's helping support tons of families have their babies

frob 3y ago
> For Musk, its a prohibitive opportunity cost for him to have babies of his own vs enabling hundres of others doing the same. The guy can almost field a basketball team with his kids from a string of different women. He obviously has no qualms having kids. Raising them on the other hand, seems to be too much of an opportunity cost to the self-proclaimed titan of industry.