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TLDR: 3 tech gurus who like RTO bad. remote work good. Pretty silly, short, overly hyperbolically-opinionated article. It infers that anyone who agrees with

TLDR: 3 tech gurus who like RTO bad. remote work good. Pretty silly, short, overly hyperbolically-opinionated article. It infers that anyone who agrees with RTO to some degree as hypocrites. I agree this part of Thiel's quote here, it makes sense to me: "misalignment can creep in whenever colleagues aren't together full-time, in the same place, every day"

jackmott42 3y ago
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brookst 3y ago
Sure. Remote work isn’t without downsides. But neither is RTO. If the standard is that any policy must have zero negative impacts on performance, I’m not sure what to do other than just closing the company.
nocoiner 3y ago
That quote is incredibly dystopian and just seemingly obviously wrong on its face. Misalignment can creep in anywhere, at any time, and I would probably rather have, you know, a life, than spend all my time, every single day, in the same physical location as my coworkers. (Sorry, spouse! Sorry, kids! Gotta keep the org aligned!)
whynotmaybe 3y ago
This quote is a parody of itself because you could also argue that they have to be together all the time and no one should ever think about work when they're not at work with the team. That email that a manager sent at 10pm regarding some stuff todo for the tomorrow 8am meeting with the client ? "Sorry boss, can only work with the whole team." "Colleague on vacation?" "the whole team on vacation!" Misalignment will always occur. Always, and it's the manager job to ensure that there aren't any. Bringing everyone in the same room is the simplest way for a manager to manage, without understanding the need of the member of the team. Yes, I sometimes need face to face discussion with colleagues to nicely understand the specifications, and it's way better than any video call. But when I'm trying to debug that script in the CI/CD that doesn't work as intended, I don't need to be sitting next to the project manager who's always on the phone.
backendanon 3y ago
> misalignment can creep in whenever colleagues aren't together full-time, in the same place, every day Been working remote mostly for 15 years. I haven't experienced, caused or observed any misalignment. I have experienced a high degree of productivity. I feel this is what some who run companies were afraid of, that many people can work remotely and be happier and be as or more productive all at the same time. I disagree with some of the attacks of the SV leader's personal lives in comments on this page but I also disagree with anyone who tries to assert people must be in the office to be productive.

jackmott42 3y ago

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brookst 3y ago

Sure. Remote work isn’t without downsides. But neither is RTO. If the standard is that any policy must have zero negative impacts on performance, I’m not sure what to do other than just closing the company.

nocoiner 3y ago

That quote is incredibly dystopian and just seemingly obviously wrong on its face. Misalignment can creep in anywhere, at any time, and I would probably rather have, you know, a life, than spend all my time, every single day, in the same physical location as my coworkers. (Sorry, spouse! Sorry, kids! Gotta keep the org aligned!)

whynotmaybe 3y ago

This quote is a parody of itself because you could also argue that they have to be together all the time and no one should ever think about work when they're not at work with the team. That email that a manager sent at 10pm regarding some stuff todo for the tomorrow 8am meeting with the client ? "Sorry boss, can only work with the whole team." "Colleague on vacation?" "the whole team on vacation!" Misalignment will always occur. Always, and it's the manager job to ensure that there aren't any. Bringing everyone in the same room is the simplest way for a manager to manage, without understanding the need of the member of the team. Yes, I sometimes need face to face discussion with colleagues to nicely understand the specifications, and it's way better than any video call. But when I'm trying to debug that script in the CI/CD that doesn't work as intended, I don't need to be sitting next to the project manager who's always on the phone.

backendanon 3y ago

> misalignment can creep in whenever colleagues aren't together full-time, in the same place, every day Been working remote mostly for 15 years. I haven't experienced, caused or observed any misalignment. I have experienced a high degree of productivity. I feel this is what some who run companies were afraid of, that many people can work remotely and be happier and be as or more productive all at the same time. I disagree with some of the attacks of the SV leader's personal lives in comments on this page but I also disagree with anyone who tries to assert people must be in the office to be productive.