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"but we don't think most people will care too much". This probably will not matter to me in real life. On the other hand when I read this my take away is that A

"but we don't think most people will care too much". This probably will not matter to me in real life. On the other hand when I read this my take away is that Apple is just trying to extract more money from people. I really have no idea if this is the true motive. Maybe there is some reason the technology of limited speed is less expensive. I really do not know. But I am so used to corporations treating their customers without respect, Apple included, that I assume it is true. That this is just another way to exploit a semi-captive audience.

l33t7332273 3y ago
I think apple customers are generally only semi captive in the sense that the products are so good that they find it inconceivable to pick one of the dozens of other high end smart phones.
- generichuman 3y ago
  TBH iPhones are pretty easily replaceable at this point (if you haven't bought into the whole Apple ecosystem). Folding Pixels look pretty good. Apple Silicon Macs on the other hand... I'm still waiting for a Linux device with no fans & comparable battery life + performance.
  - iknowstuff 3y ago
    Asahi Fedora with Gnome works fine on my M2.
    - gumshoegarry 3y ago
      Supported entirely on the back of one over worked, unpaid savant against the richest most anti-consumer company to have ever existed is not what I'd call 'fine' but YMMV.
      - iknowstuff 3y ago
        https://asahilinux.org/about/ https://asahilinux.org/about/ quite a few more people also not that different from the state of support for other new devices out there. Apple's GPU architecture is also quite friendly to the project [1], as is the system security model, which is less janky than UEFI keys on PCs. [1] https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/tales-of-the-m1-gpu/ https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/tales-of-the-m1-gpu/
        gumshoegarry 3y ago
        Or, they could be completely open and not require a once in a lifetime dream team just to use the hardware they paid for.
        iknowstuff 3y ago
        Sure, but uh is there any OEM laptop vendor out there that actually provided support and/or wrote drivers for Linux? Seems to me like they all rely on third parties doing the work.
- sgarland 3y ago
  This. I was vehemently against Apple products for well over a decade. Then I got a MacBook Air in the mid 2010s, and begrudgingly admitted that they made pretty decent hardware. Still kept Android (some Samsung, then Pixels), though. Then Apple Silicon launched, and I bought a base-spec M1 Air. Almost 3 years in, and I have never owned a better laptop in my life. It is astonishing the amount of power and battery life they've managed. It destroys my work-assigned fully-spec'd i9 MBP in every conceivable metric. Finally, I swapped a Pixel 4a 5G (tried Pixel 5 and 6, was disappointed with both) for an iPhone 14 Pro, non-Max. After getting used to iOS, I have to admit that iPhones are better than Android in nearly every way. The only thing I really miss is Android's launcher. Everything else is just better, as long as you stay within the Apple ecosystem. Pairing new devices, Universal Clipboard, scanning PDFs from the phone directly into Preview, FaceTime, iMessage... it's better. Period.
  - postalrat 3y ago
    I wouldn't use FaceTime or care about iMessage. Clipboard on Android already does what I want. All I really use on my phone is email, a web browser, navigation, and a couple apps that are identical in Android and iOS. I have a hard time imagining what's better when it just looks worse to me. Ios I can only use one browser with different skins. Navigation on Android is as far as I know still much better. And email is no better on ios
    - sgarland 3y ago
      > Clipboard on Android already does what I want. AFAIK, the only way to get a clipboard that syncs across devices on Android requires installing 3rd party software on both devices. I could be wrong. If you don't need to copy/paste between a phone and laptop/desktop, this of course won't matter to you, but it's very useful for me. Not having to think about it is icing on the cake. > And email is no better on iOS Agreed. Mac/iOS email client is hot garbage, but since I use Gmail, it doesn't really matter what platform I'm on. > iOS I can only use one browser with different skins. You can install Chrome, Firefox, Opera, et al. on iOS...? Not sure if I understand your point. That said, I switched to Safari on the laptop purely because Netflix has nerfed HD playback on Chrome, and 720p wasn't cutting it for me. The slightly better battery life and less memory consumption is a plus. Since I was using it on the laptop, it made sense to keep using it on the phone as well so sessions and history could be shared. I don't exactly love Safari, but I like it well enough that combined with the aforementioned benefits, it works for me.

l33t7332273 3y ago

I think apple customers are generally only semi captive in the sense that the products are so good that they find it inconceivable to pick one of the dozens of other high end smart phones.

generichuman 3y ago
TBH iPhones are pretty easily replaceable at this point (if you haven't bought into the whole Apple ecosystem). Folding Pixels look pretty good. Apple Silicon Macs on the other hand... I'm still waiting for a Linux device with no fans & comparable battery life + performance.
- iknowstuff 3y ago
  Asahi Fedora with Gnome works fine on my M2.
  - gumshoegarry 3y ago
    Supported entirely on the back of one over worked, unpaid savant against the richest most anti-consumer company to have ever existed is not what I'd call 'fine' but YMMV.
    - iknowstuff 3y ago
      https://asahilinux.org/about/ https://asahilinux.org/about/ quite a few more people also not that different from the state of support for other new devices out there. Apple's GPU architecture is also quite friendly to the project [1], as is the system security model, which is less janky than UEFI keys on PCs. [1] https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/tales-of-the-m1-gpu/ https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/tales-of-the-m1-gpu/
      - gumshoegarry 3y ago
        Or, they could be completely open and not require a once in a lifetime dream team just to use the hardware they paid for.
        iknowstuff 3y ago
        Sure, but uh is there any OEM laptop vendor out there that actually provided support and/or wrote drivers for Linux? Seems to me like they all rely on third parties doing the work.
sgarland 3y ago
This. I was vehemently against Apple products for well over a decade. Then I got a MacBook Air in the mid 2010s, and begrudgingly admitted that they made pretty decent hardware. Still kept Android (some Samsung, then Pixels), though. Then Apple Silicon launched, and I bought a base-spec M1 Air. Almost 3 years in, and I have never owned a better laptop in my life. It is astonishing the amount of power and battery life they've managed. It destroys my work-assigned fully-spec'd i9 MBP in every conceivable metric. Finally, I swapped a Pixel 4a 5G (tried Pixel 5 and 6, was disappointed with both) for an iPhone 14 Pro, non-Max. After getting used to iOS, I have to admit that iPhones are better than Android in nearly every way. The only thing I really miss is Android's launcher. Everything else is just better, as long as you stay within the Apple ecosystem. Pairing new devices, Universal Clipboard, scanning PDFs from the phone directly into Preview, FaceTime, iMessage... it's better. Period.
- postalrat 3y ago
  I wouldn't use FaceTime or care about iMessage. Clipboard on Android already does what I want. All I really use on my phone is email, a web browser, navigation, and a couple apps that are identical in Android and iOS. I have a hard time imagining what's better when it just looks worse to me. Ios I can only use one browser with different skins. Navigation on Android is as far as I know still much better. And email is no better on ios
  - sgarland 3y ago
    > Clipboard on Android already does what I want. AFAIK, the only way to get a clipboard that syncs across devices on Android requires installing 3rd party software on both devices. I could be wrong. If you don't need to copy/paste between a phone and laptop/desktop, this of course won't matter to you, but it's very useful for me. Not having to think about it is icing on the cake. > And email is no better on iOS Agreed. Mac/iOS email client is hot garbage, but since I use Gmail, it doesn't really matter what platform I'm on. > iOS I can only use one browser with different skins. You can install Chrome, Firefox, Opera, et al. on iOS...? Not sure if I understand your point. That said, I switched to Safari on the laptop purely because Netflix has nerfed HD playback on Chrome, and 720p wasn't cutting it for me. The slightly better battery life and less memory consumption is a plus. Since I was using it on the laptop, it made sense to keep using it on the phone as well so sessions and history could be shared. I don't exactly love Safari, but I like it well enough that combined with the aforementioned benefits, it works for me.