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I’m sorry but this is absolute fucking bullshit. Almost everybody with preteen or teenage children can perceive this, unless they had the wisdom to protect them

I’m sorry but this is absolute fucking bullshit. Almost everybody with preteen or teenage children can perceive this, unless they had the wisdom to protect them from it.

jmathai 3y ago
Seems like an area where most people with a vested interest have access to ample data…and it doesn’t seem like a degree in psychology or statistics is necessary to draw conclusions - it is so obvious. Rarely will you find a parent who says - smart phones are great for pre teens. The challenge is how you manage access to them in modern society. The research is useful to influence policy…but not really sure what else.
jeroenhd 3y ago
A general perception by someone isn't scientific evidence, though. There are plenty of ways in which this paper can be challenged, but "I don't feel like it's true" isn't one of them.
- mistermann 3y ago
  Yes it is, it just isn't a scientific challenge. Not everyone worships at the altar of science.
Asraelite 3y ago
This might sound harsh and controversial, but I would specifically avoid listening to the opinions of parents on topics like this. Or more generally, the opinion of any group that has a strong emotional investment in the topic at hand. They might be right, but the data will be so incredibly biased that it's useless and you can't really build off it.
- darthrupert 3y ago
  No problem, you can have that opinion. I would in turn say that in this case you should take most things child psychologists say around this problem with a ton of salt. If you look at the welfare of children, they have been utterly incapable of helping their mental state as a group. Thus we're seeing ever greater prevalence of depression, autism and sexual identity disfunctions. Just a few years ago the established opinion in that field that smart device use was not particularly affecting their minds. This is as if climate scientists would look at global temperatures and the co2 amounts and then claim that it's just the sun going warmer. But it's understandble in a way: this situation brewed up pretty fast and took everybody by surprise. We tge parents were the first line to fail since we got the kids their devices abd did not pay enough attention what they were doing with them.

I’m sorry but this is absolute fucking bullshit. Almost everybody with preteen or teenage children can perceive this, unless they had the wisdom to protect them from it.

jmathai 3y ago

Seems like an area where most people with a vested interest have access to ample data…and it doesn’t seem like a degree in psychology or statistics is necessary to draw conclusions - it is so obvious. Rarely will you find a parent who says - smart phones are great for pre teens. The challenge is how you manage access to them in modern society. The research is useful to influence policy…but not really sure what else.

jeroenhd 3y ago

A general perception by someone isn't scientific evidence, though. There are plenty of ways in which this paper can be challenged, but "I don't feel like it's true" isn't one of them.

mistermann 3y ago
Yes it is, it just isn't a scientific challenge. Not everyone worships at the altar of science.

Asraelite 3y ago

This might sound harsh and controversial, but I would specifically avoid listening to the opinions of parents on topics like this. Or more generally, the opinion of any group that has a strong emotional investment in the topic at hand. They might be right, but the data will be so incredibly biased that it's useless and you can't really build off it.

darthrupert 3y ago
No problem, you can have that opinion. I would in turn say that in this case you should take most things child psychologists say around this problem with a ton of salt. If you look at the welfare of children, they have been utterly incapable of helping their mental state as a group. Thus we're seeing ever greater prevalence of depression, autism and sexual identity disfunctions. Just a few years ago the established opinion in that field that smart device use was not particularly affecting their minds. This is as if climate scientists would look at global temperatures and the co2 amounts and then claim that it's just the sun going warmer. But it's understandble in a way: this situation brewed up pretty fast and took everybody by surprise. We tge parents were the first line to fail since we got the kids their devices abd did not pay enough attention what they were doing with them.