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Obviously you're kidding as Jira today is really fast and insanely useful. They're not really comparable though. Jira has much better UX and is designed for 50

Obviously you're kidding as Jira today is really fast and insanely useful. They're not really comparable though. Jira has much better UX and is designed for 50 different things. Bugzilla is mostly designed for one thing but is extensible, so if you spent 3 years coding you could maybe approach Jira's functionality in Bugzilla

ksec 3y ago
>Obviously you're kidding as Jira today is really fast and insanely useful. That is an interesting comment. Did Jira made some fundamental changes? Or was it really fast as in comparatively speaking to its old self when it was insanely slow?
vitno 3y ago
We live in different worlds. The Jira I'm familiar with may be extremely powerful, but fast it certainly is not. I also rarely need that power which comes with non-trivial complexity.
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st3fan 3y ago
> Jira has much better UX Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
- qwertox 3y ago
  I like Jira. The UX is good, allows for easy editing and customization. Then Jira Query Language enables good filtering and using it as a back end for custom front ends. In my eyes it's like a phpMyAdmin specialized for ticketing with an interface which is good enough to not be annoyed when dealing with it.
- throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
  What a great argument? Bugzilla is literally a cgi-bin Perl script where everything you do is a new page load. Jira has tons of interactive responsive menus and time saving conveniences. Every month it gets faster and easier to use in some way. You can be way more productive and get work done faster.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    >You can be way more productive and get work done faster You get less work done because OCD admins keep adding more and more required fields to tickets and you end up having to spend more and more time on writing tickets. In a less flexible system you wouldn't need to deal with so many mandated stupid workflows that suck time away from actually writing and testing code.
  - pdntspa 3y ago
    Jira itself may be fine, but the people that run your company's instance are almost guaranteed to be certifiably insane. Other comments here spell out why. This is one area where its super-flexible design works against it.
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DrBazza 3y ago
I've never used a 'fast' version of Jira at any company I've worked for recently, self-hosted or cloud. Search is atrocious. UX is awful. It's 2023 and whatever version I'm using, it still doesn't accept markdown properly. And it's wysiwyg mode is broken most of the time too - try selecting text and setting it as code/preformatted and the entire comment, or description changes instead. It's a jack of all trades, master of none. It's funny, because I was one of the first adopters of it for Megabank, back in the early 00s, because it was fast (flat ui on top of our own Sybase instance), and its UI was simple.
- mikelovenotwar 3y ago
  Poor performance, terrible UX, welcome to modern software.
- throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
  Does Bugzilla even have both WYSIWYG and markdown?
  - DrBazza 3y ago
    I have no idea. I haven't used bugzilla in many, many years. I'd be happy for neither though. Markdown's origins were such that you could write plaintext files that could not only be easily converted to html or some rich format, but were easy to read as-is. Displaying the plain-text of an issue in fixed-width font would be fine.
  - buovjaga 3y ago
    Markdown is supported in the Mozilla fork, which is what upstream is being harmonised with.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  > Search is atrocious. Atlassian search can best be described as: "I couldn't find what you're looking for, so here's a PDF".
- afroisalreadyin 3y ago
irrational 3y ago
Fast? You seem to be serious, but I definitely wouldn’t say jira is fast. Is the UX really that great? My company has rules about what needs to be filled out before a ticket will appear in our board, but there are so many different things that it is easy to skip one. But there is no indication in the ui of what is required versus what isn’t. It happens often enough that I’d say my user experience with jira is just short of rage inducing.
- throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
  It would be hard to make it faster, considering all the dynamic elements it has to load. The only trade off I can think of would require massive amounts of memory and lots of prefetching and background polling
- Ciantic 3y ago
  I have same problem, I found out I can just clone existing issues, then remove the linkage to old issue. It's not perfect but at least I don't have to memorize what things I have to fill. You can find the clone feature by opening existing issue and then "..." button at right corner.
pdntspa 3y ago
> Jira today is really fast LIES!

ksec 3y ago

>Obviously you're kidding as Jira today is really fast and insanely useful. That is an interesting comment. Did Jira made some fundamental changes? Or was it really fast as in comparatively speaking to its old self when it was insanely slow?

vitno 3y ago

We live in different worlds. The Jira I'm familiar with may be extremely powerful, but fast it certainly is not. I also rarely need that power which comes with non-trivial complexity.

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st3fan 3y ago

> Jira has much better UX Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

qwertox 3y ago
I like Jira. The UX is good, allows for easy editing and customization. Then Jira Query Language enables good filtering and using it as a back end for custom front ends. In my eyes it's like a phpMyAdmin specialized for ticketing with an interface which is good enough to not be annoyed when dealing with it.
throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
What a great argument? Bugzilla is literally a cgi-bin Perl script where everything you do is a new page load. Jira has tons of interactive responsive menus and time saving conveniences. Every month it gets faster and easier to use in some way. You can be way more productive and get work done faster.
- logicchains 3y ago
  >You can be way more productive and get work done faster You get less work done because OCD admins keep adding more and more required fields to tickets and you end up having to spend more and more time on writing tickets. In a less flexible system you wouldn't need to deal with so many mandated stupid workflows that suck time away from actually writing and testing code.
- pdntspa 3y ago
  Jira itself may be fine, but the people that run your company's instance are almost guaranteed to be certifiably insane. Other comments here spell out why. This is one area where its super-flexible design works against it.
- deleted 3y ago
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DrBazza 3y ago

I've never used a 'fast' version of Jira at any company I've worked for recently, self-hosted or cloud. Search is atrocious. UX is awful. It's 2023 and whatever version I'm using, it still doesn't accept markdown properly. And it's wysiwyg mode is broken most of the time too - try selecting text and setting it as code/preformatted and the entire comment, or description changes instead. It's a jack of all trades, master of none. It's funny, because I was one of the first adopters of it for Megabank, back in the early 00s, because it was fast (flat ui on top of our own Sybase instance), and its UI was simple.

mikelovenotwar 3y ago
Poor performance, terrible UX, welcome to modern software.
throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
Does Bugzilla even have both WYSIWYG and markdown?
- DrBazza 3y ago
  I have no idea. I haven't used bugzilla in many, many years. I'd be happy for neither though. Markdown's origins were such that you could write plaintext files that could not only be easily converted to html or some rich format, but were easy to read as-is. Displaying the plain-text of an issue in fixed-width font would be fine.
- buovjaga 3y ago
  Markdown is supported in the Mozilla fork, which is what upstream is being harmonised with.
mrweasel 3y ago
> Search is atrocious. Atlassian search can best be described as: "I couldn't find what you're looking for, so here's a PDF".
afroisalreadyin 3y ago

irrational 3y ago

Fast? You seem to be serious, but I definitely wouldn’t say jira is fast. Is the UX really that great? My company has rules about what needs to be filled out before a ticket will appear in our board, but there are so many different things that it is easy to skip one. But there is no indication in the ui of what is required versus what isn’t. It happens often enough that I’d say my user experience with jira is just short of rage inducing.

throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
It would be hard to make it faster, considering all the dynamic elements it has to load. The only trade off I can think of would require massive amounts of memory and lots of prefetching and background polling
Ciantic 3y ago
I have same problem, I found out I can just clone existing issues, then remove the linkage to old issue. It's not perfect but at least I don't have to memorize what things I have to fill. You can find the clone feature by opening existing issue and then "..." button at right corner.

pdntspa 3y ago

> Jira today is really fast LIES!