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This reads like an ad. I wouldn't support them that way. They shaft creators in every way possible. You should be subscribing to Patreons and their video subs

by kaliqt 3y ago

This reads like an ad. I wouldn't support them that way. They shaft creators in every way possible. You should be subscribing to Patreons and their video subscriptions. YouTube Premium is NOT the way.

jjallen 3y ago
> YouTube Premium is NOT the way. So have 100 different Patreon subscriptions each month? The minimum pledge is $1. What if I watch 200 different YT creators? What about the short videos? Should I create a new Patreon subscription for each individual creator I watch? What if my interests frequently change (they do). Should I spend hours per month managing individual Patreon subscriptions? The original post is about blocking ads. Blocking ads reduces the amount of money going to creators. Now you are saying that paying actual real money to not see ads is also not the way. > They shaft creators in every way possible. I guess this could be true that YT "shaft[s] creators in every way possible". If this were true, I'm somehow guessing that not basically everyone would show their videos there, don't you think? There's a balance here; being universally against ads (which quite a few people here are) while also refusing to pay anything for content is not a congruent view. At a very minimum there is considerable costs associated with delivering the video content, as most of us know. And for the record, I do patronize the creators whom I watch lots of consistently.
- neurostimulant 3y ago
  > I guess this could be true that YT "shaft[s] creators in every way possible". If this were true, I'm somehow guessing that not basically everyone would show their videos there, don't you think? The fact that content creators are still using Youtube doesn't mean Youtube is not shafting content creators. Youtube has killed most of their competitors so it's not like content creators have other options right now, but I suspect new competitors will show up if Google continue to enshitify youtube.
  - j-bos 3y ago
    Nebula is still going strong AND the creators there still gain from posting to youtube https://youtu.be/Alqt6RCEWdM https://youtu.be/Alqt6RCEWdM
mwidell 3y ago
The problem is that most people don't subscribe to hundreds of Patreon creators. It is actually REALLY hard to have a substantial income from Patreon unless you have like 1 million subscribers on youtube. YT Premium+Ads is the next best thing and makes most creators a lot more money with less effort. Source: I'm a full time youtuber, I have done Patreon for over a year, and I have friends who are also full time youtubers.

by kaliqt 3y ago

jjallen 3y ago

> YouTube Premium is NOT the way. So have 100 different Patreon subscriptions each month? The minimum pledge is $1. What if I watch 200 different YT creators? What about the short videos? Should I create a new Patreon subscription for each individual creator I watch? What if my interests frequently change (they do). Should I spend hours per month managing individual Patreon subscriptions? The original post is about blocking ads. Blocking ads reduces the amount of money going to creators. Now you are saying that paying actual real money to not see ads is also not the way. > They shaft creators in every way possible. I guess this could be true that YT "shaft[s] creators in every way possible". If this were true, I'm somehow guessing that not basically everyone would show their videos there, don't you think? There's a balance here; being universally against ads (which quite a few people here are) while also refusing to pay anything for content is not a congruent view. At a very minimum there is considerable costs associated with delivering the video content, as most of us know. And for the record, I do patronize the creators whom I watch lots of consistently.

neurostimulant 3y ago
> I guess this could be true that YT "shaft[s] creators in every way possible". If this were true, I'm somehow guessing that not basically everyone would show their videos there, don't you think? The fact that content creators are still using Youtube doesn't mean Youtube is not shafting content creators. Youtube has killed most of their competitors so it's not like content creators have other options right now, but I suspect new competitors will show up if Google continue to enshitify youtube.
- j-bos 3y ago
  Nebula is still going strong AND the creators there still gain from posting to youtube https://youtu.be/Alqt6RCEWdM https://youtu.be/Alqt6RCEWdM

mwidell 3y ago

The problem is that most people don't subscribe to hundreds of Patreon creators. It is actually REALLY hard to have a substantial income from Patreon unless you have like 1 million subscribers on youtube. YT Premium+Ads is the next best thing and makes most creators a lot more money with less effort. Source: I'm a full time youtuber, I have done Patreon for over a year, and I have friends who are also full time youtubers.