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I guess I'm happy Manjaro users are testing pre-releases of the kernel I use, but providing RC kernels to final users without them knowing doesn't seems very cl

by jraph 3y ago

I guess I'm happy Manjaro users are testing pre-releases of the kernel I use, but providing RC kernels to final users without them knowing doesn't seems very clever.

bmicraft 3y ago
For a distribution that is supposed to be "arch but stable" that would be weird. I suspect there is something more going on than that. Maybe they start out on an rc after install because new install might equal new hardware?
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  > I suspect there is something more going on than that. Me too. Slow Sunday morning, so curiosity got the best of me, to a point, so I went checking. But I couldn't figure out how to check the latest available kernel package on Manjaro while not running it. The software.manjaro.org page is terrible and made my laptop attempt to fly away. Anyway, there's no "linux" on the search page, and they don't seem to have a "linux" (all by itself) package like Arch does. Tried linux-kernel, linux-stable, no dice. Searching on Google, I've found a link to the "linux61-headers" package: https://software.manjaro.org/package/linux61-headers https://software.manjaro.org/package/linux61-headers. So I've tried to change the URL. linux66-headers sends me to the apps list (so I guess that means there's no such page?). linux65-headers exists in the form of 6.5.0rc5 (is there a good reason why text isn't selectable on the site?!). linux64-headers also exists as version 6.4.9. It should be funny to send unsuspecting people on the latest RC while not having the latest stable. My Arch has been running 6.4.12 for the last two days, IIRC.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - rabf 3y ago
    Open "Manjaro Settings"->Kernels
    - vladvasiliu 3y ago
      Is it not possible to inspect that without having a running Manjaro install?
- southerntofu 3y ago
  > a distribution that is supposed to be "arch but stable" I don't have eggs in those baskets so don't take my message as advertisement, but i repeatedly heard from various people Manjaro was not that serious/reliable and that EndeavourOS was much more pleasant and stable. Anyone has experience with this?
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    I recently switched to EndeavourOS and like it. There were some unclear things with manjaro and Endeavour seems all around more stable.
  - snowram 3y ago
    I have been running Manjaro for years and it has been a smooth experience. If I remember correctly, they mistakenly let some certificate expire and DDOS the AUR once, can't say this had impacted me. Unfortunately, distro tribalism is a real thing. Some people are very eager to trash other distros, I would say this hurts Linux and how the general public percieve it in the end.
    - arcanemachiner 3y ago
      I think the certificate thing happened like three times. There's some "fuck Manjaro" type site out there where every little mistake is catalogued. I probably wouldn't pick Manjaro today, but I will say that I've been running Manjaro on a little home server for over two years and it's been completely rock solid.
  - 3np 3y ago
    I recall making comments to that effect and maintain the stance. Though I've had more long-lived and complex setups with Manjaro so it's not entirely a fair comparison. ~1y in on Endeavour.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  What is stable about release candidate software?
- vlovich123 3y ago
  I couldn’t use the default installer cause it kept crashing when I was trying to set up encrypted LVM partitions. So I had to cobble something together through the deprecated Manjaro Architect (which also had scenarios that crashed it, but at least I could cobble things together through gParted + disks to setup LUKS and it would resume from that point whereas the default installer insisted on setting up everything from scratch every time). When installing I recall it asking me to choose which backing package to use when installing the linux package and since Architect is curses based, that was through pacman and it didn’t indicate in any way that linux-65 was pre RC. So I’m not sure what the default Manjaro installer did, but I either pacman didn’t make it clear or I simply overlooked that it was pre RC. Overall I was quite surprised at how difficult it was to install Manjaro. Significantly worse experience than Arch because the installer kept crashing and wouldn’t work.
adr1an 3y ago
I used Manjaro long ago, and loved their GUI to switch kernels [0]. I think the labels are quite informative there. There's the 'Recommended' label, but I'm unsure on how do they deal with updates. Jumping across those recommended might be the best... (imho) or just stay with LTS. Nowadays I run LTS on Cachyos. [0]: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro_Kernels/en https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro_Kernels/en
Deukhoofd 3y ago
Manjaro doesn't generally automatically install new kernels. It does have a UI to update your kernel however, and you are able to pick Linux 6.5 from there. It is marked as Experimental, however.

by jraph 3y ago

I guess I'm happy Manjaro users are testing pre-releases of the kernel I use, but providing RC kernels to final users without them knowing doesn't seems very clever.

bmicraft 3y ago

For a distribution that is supposed to be "arch but stable" that would be weird. I suspect there is something more going on than that. Maybe they start out on an rc after install because new install might equal new hardware?

vladvasiliu 3y ago
> I suspect there is something more going on than that. Me too. Slow Sunday morning, so curiosity got the best of me, to a point, so I went checking. But I couldn't figure out how to check the latest available kernel package on Manjaro while not running it. The software.manjaro.org page is terrible and made my laptop attempt to fly away. Anyway, there's no "linux" on the search page, and they don't seem to have a "linux" (all by itself) package like Arch does. Tried linux-kernel, linux-stable, no dice. Searching on Google, I've found a link to the "linux61-headers" package: https://software.manjaro.org/package/linux61-headers https://software.manjaro.org/package/linux61-headers. So I've tried to change the URL. linux66-headers sends me to the apps list (so I guess that means there's no such page?). linux65-headers exists in the form of 6.5.0rc5 (is there a good reason why text isn't selectable on the site?!). linux64-headers also exists as version 6.4.9. It should be funny to send unsuspecting people on the latest RC while not having the latest stable. My Arch has been running 6.4.12 for the last two days, IIRC.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- rabf 3y ago
  Open "Manjaro Settings"->Kernels
  - vladvasiliu 3y ago
    Is it not possible to inspect that without having a running Manjaro install?
southerntofu 3y ago
> a distribution that is supposed to be "arch but stable" I don't have eggs in those baskets so don't take my message as advertisement, but i repeatedly heard from various people Manjaro was not that serious/reliable and that EndeavourOS was much more pleasant and stable. Anyone has experience with this?
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  I recently switched to EndeavourOS and like it. There were some unclear things with manjaro and Endeavour seems all around more stable.
- snowram 3y ago
  I have been running Manjaro for years and it has been a smooth experience. If I remember correctly, they mistakenly let some certificate expire and DDOS the AUR once, can't say this had impacted me. Unfortunately, distro tribalism is a real thing. Some people are very eager to trash other distros, I would say this hurts Linux and how the general public percieve it in the end.
  - arcanemachiner 3y ago
    I think the certificate thing happened like three times. There's some "fuck Manjaro" type site out there where every little mistake is catalogued. I probably wouldn't pick Manjaro today, but I will say that I've been running Manjaro on a little home server for over two years and it's been completely rock solid.
- 3np 3y ago
  I recall making comments to that effect and maintain the stance. Though I've had more long-lived and complex setups with Manjaro so it's not entirely a fair comparison. ~1y in on Endeavour.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
What is stable about release candidate software?
vlovich123 3y ago
I couldn’t use the default installer cause it kept crashing when I was trying to set up encrypted LVM partitions. So I had to cobble something together through the deprecated Manjaro Architect (which also had scenarios that crashed it, but at least I could cobble things together through gParted + disks to setup LUKS and it would resume from that point whereas the default installer insisted on setting up everything from scratch every time). When installing I recall it asking me to choose which backing package to use when installing the linux package and since Architect is curses based, that was through pacman and it didn’t indicate in any way that linux-65 was pre RC. So I’m not sure what the default Manjaro installer did, but I either pacman didn’t make it clear or I simply overlooked that it was pre RC. Overall I was quite surprised at how difficult it was to install Manjaro. Significantly worse experience than Arch because the installer kept crashing and wouldn’t work.

adr1an 3y ago

I used Manjaro long ago, and loved their GUI to switch kernels [0]. I think the labels are quite informative there. There's the 'Recommended' label, but I'm unsure on how do they deal with updates. Jumping across those recommended might be the best... (imho) or just stay with LTS. Nowadays I run LTS on Cachyos. [0]: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro_Kernels/en https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro_Kernels/en

Deukhoofd 3y ago

Manjaro doesn't generally automatically install new kernels. It does have a UI to update your kernel however, and you are able to pick Linux 6.5 from there. It is marked as Experimental, however.