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I find it frustrating people don’t understand that this project is an it different to launching an app on the App Store though? If you don’t kind of get that th

I find it frustrating people don’t understand that this project is an it different to launching an app on the App Store though? If you don’t kind of get that then maybe you have no business building powerful technology ? If you were working on the Manhattan project would you feel frustrated if people didn’t want you to succeed ?

jvanderbot 3y ago
Yes I bet people would be frustrated if they were working on the Manhattan project and others were saying it's not worth building or were actively hindering it. I would. Why else would they work on it if they didn't feel like it was worthwhile? But that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about moving goalposts which are so commonly frustrating that they have their own term that is known in logic as, surprise, Moving Goalpost. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I bet a lot of people had reservations about working on and completing the Manhattan project because they felt like if they didn't do it, the Nazi's on Soviets would have, it's not really the same thing. I know what moving the goalposts is far out...anyway, where are the goalposts for intelligence defined, do you know where I can find them?
  - jvanderbot 3y ago
    AI has had several goalposts set and then moved in the last few years, starting with the Turning test and most recently TFA. This conversation does not seem like an attempt to find common ground. And I've clarified my point ad nauseam. Cheers! Signing off.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Yet I saw an interview with Marvin Minsky who says the turing test is useless. Having imaginary goalposts mean they might always end up being moved...so maybe the issue is those who are fascinated with goalposts. "Signing off"

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I find it frustrating people don’t understand that this project is an it different to launching an app on the App Store though? If you don’t kind of get that th

by ChatGTP 3y ago

jvanderbot 3y ago
Yes I bet people would be frustrated if they were working on the Manhattan project and others were saying it's not worth building or were actively hindering it. I would. Why else would they work on it if they didn't feel like it was worthwhile? But that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about moving goalposts which are so commonly frustrating that they have their own term that is known in logic as, surprise, Moving Goalpost. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I bet a lot of people had reservations about working on and completing the Manhattan project because they felt like if they didn't do it, the Nazi's on Soviets would have, it's not really the same thing. I know what moving the goalposts is far out...anyway, where are the goalposts for intelligence defined, do you know where I can find them?
  - jvanderbot 3y ago
    AI has had several goalposts set and then moved in the last few years, starting with the Turning test and most recently TFA. This conversation does not seem like an attempt to find common ground. And I've clarified my point ad nauseam. Cheers! Signing off.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Yet I saw an interview with Marvin Minsky who says the turing test is useless. Having imaginary goalposts mean they might always end up being moved...so maybe the issue is those who are fascinated with goalposts. "Signing off"