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What project are you referring too ? Do you think software engineers are excited to replace themselves with LLMs? Like they’d feel complete if they achieve thi

What project are you referring too ? Do you think software engineers are excited to replace themselves with LLMs? Like they’d feel complete if they achieve this ? I’m lucky I own some assets and have other skills outside of tech so I could probably get by eventually but it would be a major setback financially and professions; however, most engineers I know couldn’t really do anything else but work on a computer and have minimal physical interaction with others.

jvanderbot 3y ago
> They’re probably irked by how AI pessimists keep moving the goalposts Then > It confuses me how people don’t understand that moving the goalposts can be a coping mechanism. And I said (rephrasing) "It's not weird that people are annoyed by moving goalposts because ... " Just saying coping mechanism isn't much of an excuse. Regular human things are still annoying sometimes. Like, it's annoying to set a goal, and when it is achieved, to have everyone say that really wasn't the goal, even if that is a normal human thing to do. When I deal with this at work, it pisses me off. When I deal with it at home, it pisses me off. When I read about it in the news. it ... you get the idea.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I find it frustrating people don’t understand that this project is an it different to launching an app on the App Store though? If you don’t kind of get that then maybe you have no business building powerful technology ? If you were working on the Manhattan project would you feel frustrated if people didn’t want you to succeed ?
  - jvanderbot 3y ago
    Yes I bet people would be frustrated if they were working on the Manhattan project and others were saying it's not worth building or were actively hindering it. I would. Why else would they work on it if they didn't feel like it was worthwhile? But that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about moving goalposts which are so commonly frustrating that they have their own term that is known in logic as, surprise, Moving Goalpost. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      I bet a lot of people had reservations about working on and completing the Manhattan project because they felt like if they didn't do it, the Nazi's on Soviets would have, it's not really the same thing. I know what moving the goalposts is far out...anyway, where are the goalposts for intelligence defined, do you know where I can find them?
      - jvanderbot 3y ago
        AI has had several goalposts set and then moved in the last few years, starting with the Turning test and most recently TFA. This conversation does not seem like an attempt to find common ground. And I've clarified my point ad nauseam. Cheers! Signing off.
        ChatGTP 3y ago
        Yet I saw an interview with Marvin Minsky who says the turing test is useless. Having imaginary goalposts mean they might always end up being moved...so maybe the issue is those who are fascinated with goalposts. "Signing off"

jvanderbot 3y ago

> They’re probably irked by how AI pessimists keep moving the goalposts Then > It confuses me how people don’t understand that moving the goalposts can be a coping mechanism. And I said (rephrasing) "It's not weird that people are annoyed by moving goalposts because ... " Just saying coping mechanism isn't much of an excuse. Regular human things are still annoying sometimes. Like, it's annoying to set a goal, and when it is achieved, to have everyone say that really wasn't the goal, even if that is a normal human thing to do. When I deal with this at work, it pisses me off. When I deal with it at home, it pisses me off. When I read about it in the news. it ... you get the idea.

ChatGTP 3y ago
I find it frustrating people don’t understand that this project is an it different to launching an app on the App Store though? If you don’t kind of get that then maybe you have no business building powerful technology ? If you were working on the Manhattan project would you feel frustrated if people didn’t want you to succeed ?
- jvanderbot 3y ago
  Yes I bet people would be frustrated if they were working on the Manhattan project and others were saying it's not worth building or were actively hindering it. I would. Why else would they work on it if they didn't feel like it was worthwhile? But that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about moving goalposts which are so commonly frustrating that they have their own term that is known in logic as, surprise, Moving Goalpost. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    I bet a lot of people had reservations about working on and completing the Manhattan project because they felt like if they didn't do it, the Nazi's on Soviets would have, it's not really the same thing. I know what moving the goalposts is far out...anyway, where are the goalposts for intelligence defined, do you know where I can find them?
    - jvanderbot 3y ago
      AI has had several goalposts set and then moved in the last few years, starting with the Turning test and most recently TFA. This conversation does not seem like an attempt to find common ground. And I've clarified my point ad nauseam. Cheers! Signing off.
      - ChatGTP 3y ago
        Yet I saw an interview with Marvin Minsky who says the turing test is useless. Having imaginary goalposts mean they might always end up being moved...so maybe the issue is those who are fascinated with goalposts. "Signing off"