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Wrong. They are a stripped, gutted, non-traditional UNIX with a really nice windowing system on top.

by leif 15y ago

Aqueous 15y ago
Just so I know: in what way is it gutted? Mac OS X fully meets the Single UNIX specification and thus is one of the few 'registered' Unices.
- leif 15y ago
  Today, it comes without a compiler. Getting one, and finding out where it got installed, is non-trivial. I don't like that.
  - BrandonM 15y ago
    This is true of Ubuntu as well. You have to run "apt-get install build-essential" in order to get a compiler. This might be easier than on a Mac, but regardless it's disingenuous to say that Mac is not a Unix because it doesn't come with a compiler. (I use Ubuntu regularly and have never owned an Apple product.)
    - leif 15y ago
      Ubuntu is not a good example of a UNIX environment. That said, really? It doesn't come with gcc anymore? I find this offensive.
      - tomp 15y ago
        If Ubuntu is not Linux and therefore *NIX/Unix compliant, then what is it?
        slowpoke 15y ago
        Linux Is Not UniX. Different distros have different amount of compliance with traditional UNIX. Ubuntu is one of those which has ventured the farthest away from it.
      - rsynnott 15y ago
        > That said, really? It doesn't come with gcc anymore? I find this offensive. Lots of Linux distros don't install one by default, and this has always been the case. For that matter, for a long time, Solaris (unquestionably a UNIX) didn't come with a compiler.
- djacobs 15y ago
  The mach kernel is often described as 'anemic'. (Incidentally, a couple of friends who work on the kernel don't have good things to say about its codebase.)
  - lobster_johnson 15y ago
    Mach is not OS X's kernel, XNU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnu) is. It contains a modified version of Mach 3.0, but it's not the same kernel. But regardless, the kernel is not particularly important when discussing the operating system's unixness.
    - djacobs 15y ago
      I don't think that was the question.

Wrong. They are a stripped, gutted, non-traditional UNIX with a really nice windowing system on top.

by leif 15y ago

Wrong. They are a stripped, gutted, non-traditional UNIX with a really nice windowing system on top.

Just so I know: in what way is it gutted? Mac OS X fully meets the Single UNIX specification and thus is one of the few 'registered' Unices.

leif 15y ago
Today, it comes without a compiler. Getting one, and finding out where it got installed, is non-trivial. I don't like that.
- BrandonM 15y ago
  This is true of Ubuntu as well. You have to run "apt-get install build-essential" in order to get a compiler. This might be easier than on a Mac, but regardless it's disingenuous to say that Mac is not a Unix because it doesn't come with a compiler. (I use Ubuntu regularly and have never owned an Apple product.)
  - leif 15y ago
    Ubuntu is not a good example of a UNIX environment. That said, really? It doesn't come with gcc anymore? I find this offensive.
    - tomp 15y ago
      If Ubuntu is not Linux and therefore *NIX/Unix compliant, then what is it?
      - slowpoke 15y ago
        Linux Is Not UniX. Different distros have different amount of compliance with traditional UNIX. Ubuntu is one of those which has ventured the farthest away from it.
    - rsynnott 15y ago
      > That said, really? It doesn't come with gcc anymore? I find this offensive. Lots of Linux distros don't install one by default, and this has always been the case. For that matter, for a long time, Solaris (unquestionably a UNIX) didn't come with a compiler.
djacobs 15y ago
The mach kernel is often described as 'anemic'. (Incidentally, a couple of friends who work on the kernel don't have good things to say about its codebase.)
- lobster_johnson 15y ago
  Mach is not OS X's kernel, XNU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnu) is. It contains a modified version of Mach 3.0, but it's not the same kernel. But regardless, the kernel is not particularly important when discussing the operating system's unixness.
  - djacobs 15y ago
    I don't think that was the question.