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The DeBeers marketing is still effective and most (US at least) women still want them for their romantic authenticity. I suspect this will be unpopular, but I k

by boppo1 3y ago

The DeBeers marketing is still effective and most (US at least) women still want them for their romantic authenticity. I suspect this will be unpopular, but I know many of my married buddies would likely not be if they had insisted and held firm that a lab grown diamond is just as good. Doctors, lawyers, tech guys.

brnt 3y ago
I exclusively hear this from US folks. Would love to see a breakdown of where DeBeers makes its money. Frankly I can't imagine anyone I know caring about this.
xhkkffbf 3y ago
A smart woman would realize that every dollar spent on a diamond is a dollar that can't be spent on home improvements, cars, clothing etc.
- ravenstine 3y ago
  This describes next to no women I've ever known. If a man wants to pass off his genes, then waiting for a "smart" woman is a gamble. Even if he finds one, the parents in law will cast shame for him not getting her a real diamond. That's how deep the marketing goes.
- lucubratory 3y ago
  Thank you. I literally told my husband I didn't even want a diamond, I just want something that communicates the "I'm married" social signal to minimise annoyances from men, fits my aesthetic tastes, and is soft enough that there's low risk of a degloving accident without being so soft that I can't do any work with my hands. I'm not immune to the psychology and marketing - I'd still feel weird if he had wanted to get me like, costume jewellery for a wedding ring, but I'm perfectly happy with moissanite.
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    Is anything metal soft enough to avoid degloving? Skin's pretty soft, and I too am quite concerned about such injuries. Coincidentally, I bought a bunch of moissanite on aliexpress just yesterday. I went looking for artificial diamonds, but they were still more expensive than the frivolity-money I planned on blowing. (and were hard to find in that SEO hellscape) Plus clear silicon-carbide has better optical properties than diamond anyway, so moissanite looks nicer.
    - lucubratory 3y ago
      Gold, basically, but if it's not high enough carat the risk goes up a lot. At the same time, too high carat gold is going to get damaged very easily. It's a balancing act, you can only lower the risk.
      - andromeduck 3y ago
        What range?
        lucubratory 3y ago
        I use 18k, with the normal ring design that has a thinner side towards the palm, counting on that thin part of the ring to break before a full degloving. I did ask about whether it was possible to get a 14k ring that came in two halves with 22k linkages between the halves (the idea being that it would split very easily in an emergency but most of the ring would be scratch resistant), but after looking at me like I had two heads one jeweller said it wasn't possible and the other jeweller quoted me some obscene price which, fair enough. Regardless, still remove the ring before you work with any tools that are a risk though, like a belt sander etc. If you use a workshop regularly, I would just build a designated container at a convenient height for your wedding ring, so you always know where it will be if it's not on your hand.
analog31 3y ago
Glad I married a scientist. ;-)
sealeck 3y ago
I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".
- aaron695 3y ago
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- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Yeah, that’s an easy thing to say. Try saying that to the love of your life and see how that works out for you.
  - tuatoru 3y ago
    That's a red flag for the relationship right there. If "not wasting money" is a core value for you, but "status" is more important for your partner, things will go sour sooner or later. Of course it's very difficult to be rational in limerence.
    - jiggawatts 3y ago
      Seeking high social status in a male partner is a good reproductive strategy for human females. That’s why so many women like Veblen goods and why ugly billionaires have gorgeous wives. Pretending that normal human behaviour is a “red flag” is a path towards conflict and unhappiness. Sure, you can find outliers that don’t care about such things, but not everyone can marry only a minority of women.
      - coldtea 3y ago
        >Seeking high social status in a male partner is a good reproductive strategy for human females. So is taking them for a ride, getting half of their assets and house, and having relationships and babies with other man. So? >Sure, you can find outliers that don’t care about such things, but not everyone can marry only a minority of women. No, but a huge majority can be divorsed at 40, paying alimony, losing half their assets, and wondering why they listened to stupid advice based on "normal human behaviour" and "good reproductive strategies". Funny also how this "normal human behaviour" and "good reproductive strategies" it's just manifested in the form of a demand for an expensive rock in the US, almost as it's a BS cultural thing and not some evolutionary standard. No woman in this parts of Europe (and many others I know of) would care for such BS, unless she's the type that goes for older rich guys with expensive cars and yaughts too.
coldtea 3y ago
>but I know many of my married buddies would likely not be if they had insisted and held firm that a lab grown diamond is just as good Sounds like they would have been better off not married to those horrible persons.

by boppo1 3y ago

brnt 3y ago

I exclusively hear this from US folks. Would love to see a breakdown of where DeBeers makes its money. Frankly I can't imagine anyone I know caring about this.

xhkkffbf 3y ago

A smart woman would realize that every dollar spent on a diamond is a dollar that can't be spent on home improvements, cars, clothing etc.

ravenstine 3y ago
This describes next to no women I've ever known. If a man wants to pass off his genes, then waiting for a "smart" woman is a gamble. Even if he finds one, the parents in law will cast shame for him not getting her a real diamond. That's how deep the marketing goes.
lucubratory 3y ago
Thank you. I literally told my husband I didn't even want a diamond, I just want something that communicates the "I'm married" social signal to minimise annoyances from men, fits my aesthetic tastes, and is soft enough that there's low risk of a degloving accident without being so soft that I can't do any work with my hands. I'm not immune to the psychology and marketing - I'd still feel weird if he had wanted to get me like, costume jewellery for a wedding ring, but I'm perfectly happy with moissanite.
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  Is anything metal soft enough to avoid degloving? Skin's pretty soft, and I too am quite concerned about such injuries. Coincidentally, I bought a bunch of moissanite on aliexpress just yesterday. I went looking for artificial diamonds, but they were still more expensive than the frivolity-money I planned on blowing. (and were hard to find in that SEO hellscape) Plus clear silicon-carbide has better optical properties than diamond anyway, so moissanite looks nicer.
  - lucubratory 3y ago
    Gold, basically, but if it's not high enough carat the risk goes up a lot. At the same time, too high carat gold is going to get damaged very easily. It's a balancing act, you can only lower the risk.
    - andromeduck 3y ago
      What range?
      - lucubratory 3y ago
        I use 18k, with the normal ring design that has a thinner side towards the palm, counting on that thin part of the ring to break before a full degloving. I did ask about whether it was possible to get a 14k ring that came in two halves with 22k linkages between the halves (the idea being that it would split very easily in an emergency but most of the ring would be scratch resistant), but after looking at me like I had two heads one jeweller said it wasn't possible and the other jeweller quoted me some obscene price which, fair enough. Regardless, still remove the ring before you work with any tools that are a risk though, like a belt sander etc. If you use a workshop regularly, I would just build a designated container at a convenient height for your wedding ring, so you always know where it will be if it's not on your hand.

analog31 3y ago

Glad I married a scientist. ;-)

sealeck 3y ago

I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".

aaron695 3y ago
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jiggawatts 3y ago
Yeah, that’s an easy thing to say. Try saying that to the love of your life and see how that works out for you.
- tuatoru 3y ago
  That's a red flag for the relationship right there. If "not wasting money" is a core value for you, but "status" is more important for your partner, things will go sour sooner or later. Of course it's very difficult to be rational in limerence.
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    Seeking high social status in a male partner is a good reproductive strategy for human females. That’s why so many women like Veblen goods and why ugly billionaires have gorgeous wives. Pretending that normal human behaviour is a “red flag” is a path towards conflict and unhappiness. Sure, you can find outliers that don’t care about such things, but not everyone can marry only a minority of women.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      >Seeking high social status in a male partner is a good reproductive strategy for human females. So is taking them for a ride, getting half of their assets and house, and having relationships and babies with other man. So? >Sure, you can find outliers that don’t care about such things, but not everyone can marry only a minority of women. No, but a huge majority can be divorsed at 40, paying alimony, losing half their assets, and wondering why they listened to stupid advice based on "normal human behaviour" and "good reproductive strategies". Funny also how this "normal human behaviour" and "good reproductive strategies" it's just manifested in the form of a demand for an expensive rock in the US, almost as it's a BS cultural thing and not some evolutionary standard. No woman in this parts of Europe (and many others I know of) would care for such BS, unless she's the type that goes for older rich guys with expensive cars and yaughts too.

coldtea 3y ago

>but I know many of my married buddies would likely not be if they had insisted and held firm that a lab grown diamond is just as good Sounds like they would have been better off not married to those horrible persons.