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I'm highly involved in the UK startup sector, especially for open source software that can help the UK NHS, patients, and caregivers. In the UK, caregivers earn

by jph 3y ago

I'm highly involved in the UK startup sector, especially for open source software that can help the UK NHS, patients, and caregivers. In the UK, caregivers earn about £9 per hour, and to the best of my knowledge caregivers are the #1 shortage of low-wage sector jobs. UK NHS healthcare workers who have come from the EU and APAC are telling me in person that they intend to stop coming to the UK because of 1) poor NHS resources such as funding and hiring, 2) new UK Home Office visa difficulties having friends and relatives visit, 3) new UK problems for in-home caregivers, especially involving transport e.g. how to take the patient to a doctor, pharmacy, or hospital. These are serious life-threatening problems. The #1 action item in my opinion is for the UK Home Office to offer fast-track visas for caregivers and medical helpers.

whimsicalism 3y ago
It seems like paying more than $11/hr would help reduce the labor shortage you are facing. From my American coastal perspective, $11/hr sounds ridiculously low here and I know for a fact that most childcare workers are paid considerably more than that here. I have relatives who work under the table doing childcare so they don’t even have any minimum wage/labor protections and they still make more than that. I don’t perceive the cost of living in the UK as particularly less so I am confused how this can be justified. e: I see now that you are talking about elder care but I feel like the rates would not be so dissimilar.
- sethhochberg 3y ago
  As a benchmark: CDPAP, a Medicare-funded program in the US that lets people be employed as caregivers for family, pays $18-20 an hour in much of the northeast.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    Yes, I think the range I would expect would be roughly $15-$25
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sph 3y ago
Before Brexit, recruiters would come to Italy to hire medical university graduates. My friend while at uni found a job working as a radiology technician for an external NHS contractor. The pay was great, he also had a company car to basically sit all day in the hospital. This is how badly the UK needed doctors, before they decided to close the doors to immigration, thinking people like my friend were stealing jobs to more deserving British radiologists.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  Interesting, I perceive the UK as one of the worst paying for doctors in the Anglosphere.
  - sph 3y ago
    Which speaks a lot of how badly they're paid in the rest of the EU if they choose to move to Britain. And how much Britain needed medical help to go recruit abroad. I do not think German nor US companies are sitting outside Italian universities to entice young talent. IIRC he was earning around £4000 a month, which is unheard of in Italy at the start of one's medical career.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      > And how much Britain needed medical help to go recruit abroad. I do not think German nor US companies are sitting outside Italian universities to entice young talent. Medical labor in the US is far too organized to let providers do anything remotely resembling this. It is not due to lack of need, hiring foreign doctors is politically impossible in the US due to regulatory capture.
      - woleium 3y ago
        I think the exams are different? Why would a practicing doctor stop earning to do the mcap and work in the states?
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by jph 3y ago

whimsicalism 3y ago

It seems like paying more than $11/hr would help reduce the labor shortage you are facing. From my American coastal perspective, $11/hr sounds ridiculously low here and I know for a fact that most childcare workers are paid considerably more than that here. I have relatives who work under the table doing childcare so they don’t even have any minimum wage/labor protections and they still make more than that. I don’t perceive the cost of living in the UK as particularly less so I am confused how this can be justified. e: I see now that you are talking about elder care but I feel like the rates would not be so dissimilar.

sethhochberg 3y ago
As a benchmark: CDPAP, a Medicare-funded program in the US that lets people be employed as caregivers for family, pays $18-20 an hour in much of the northeast.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  Yes, I think the range I would expect would be roughly $15-$25
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sph 3y ago

Before Brexit, recruiters would come to Italy to hire medical university graduates. My friend while at uni found a job working as a radiology technician for an external NHS contractor. The pay was great, he also had a company car to basically sit all day in the hospital. This is how badly the UK needed doctors, before they decided to close the doors to immigration, thinking people like my friend were stealing jobs to more deserving British radiologists.

whimsicalism 3y ago
Interesting, I perceive the UK as one of the worst paying for doctors in the Anglosphere.
- sph 3y ago
  Which speaks a lot of how badly they're paid in the rest of the EU if they choose to move to Britain. And how much Britain needed medical help to go recruit abroad. I do not think German nor US companies are sitting outside Italian universities to entice young talent. IIRC he was earning around £4000 a month, which is unheard of in Italy at the start of one's medical career.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    > And how much Britain needed medical help to go recruit abroad. I do not think German nor US companies are sitting outside Italian universities to entice young talent. Medical labor in the US is far too organized to let providers do anything remotely resembling this. It is not due to lack of need, hiring foreign doctors is politically impossible in the US due to regulatory capture.
    - woleium 3y ago
      I think the exams are different? Why would a practicing doctor stop earning to do the mcap and work in the states?
      - 3y ago