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From my own experience : 1. China, like Singapore and London, have mass surveillance. You do have a lot of cameras. China takes it a bit further in a sense tha
by soueuls 3y ago
From my own experience :
1. China, like Singapore and London, have mass surveillance. You do have a lot of cameras. China takes it a bit further in a sense that when you go to some places like "signing up for a gym" they will ask for your number and communicate the information to the government.
But, because there is always another side. The government is not just a giant greedy machine for no reasons. China is safe, insanely safe.
I spent one year in Beijing (studying at Tsinghua University), I tried to find a lock for my bike. I gave up after a couple days, nobody was selling any lock. One of the seller told me : "But why are you looking for a lock, if it's YOUR bike?"
I almost felt stupid asking for it. Never locked my bike for 1 year, in a city with a population of 20,000,000 people. Never got stolen. I could park anywhere, campus, city center, in front of bar, clubs, whatever.
It was refreshing.
2. My personal belief is that the social credit score is a hoax made up by the West. China has a score system similar to FICO, if you have debts, they will restrict your movements (trains, flight) if you are a vocal political activits you will likely have problems.
But is there a system similar to the one described in Black Mirror that track everything you do? That makes you lose points if you are associating yourself with people having bad scores?
I haven't seen it. Never heard anyone mention it. Never noticed it.
Normal Chinese citizens live a perfectly normal life.
3. You have people strongly in favor of the CCP (note they got 40 incredible years, so it's expected) and people opposed to it.
Can you openly criticize the government like we do in Europe or USA? No.
You can't just create meme like you would do with Trump/Biden/Macron whatever.
Of course people still do it, like in any countries, you have sub cultures. Same thing in Thailand (where I am currently living) with the Royal family. It's forbidden, but people do it, of course.
More people are in favor of the CCP. People are not full at ease if they are strongly criticizing it. But in private context they do. Overrall the Chinese feels genuinely happy about the government's work.
4. Yes, the government censor information. It's not always easy to set up a VPN (and I am a computer science guy)
But can you name a government that does not? The US has been tracking down Snowden and Assange for a while.
European governments are censoring and limiting freedom of speech too.
There are more red lines in China for sure. But I could be fined in France for my belief as well (if I was living there)
5. People can talk about it, but Chinese are not massively into politics. It's hard to believe for someone coming from the West (I am French so I know what it means to talk about politics, we ALWAYS do it).
They don't. And after living in Asia for many years, I am starting to think it's not always a bad thing.
Being able to talk about anything in politics comes with a huge cost as well. Extremely divided societies where the leftists think the other ones are Nazis. And the right wing believe the others want to sexualize children and start communism.
But yes, many people know about Tiananmen square.
6. Yes and no.
I have met several Uyghurs in Beijing, I have mixed feeling about it. I did more research about it and discovered that Uyghurs (coming from Turkmenistan committed numerous terrorist attacks : Kunming, Urumqi, Tiananmen comes to mind.
And the Chinese government responded to it rather violently.
Is it justified? I don't know.
But it's not coming from nowhere, either.
And I am just wary of condemning China for it, I know what the US has done. I know what French has done to Vendée, what Russia did, what Africans did, what the Arabs did.
Some of these happen not too long ago. I don't like that we are trying to frame ourselves as "defending the oppressed" and that "China = bad".
But yes, overall they are being oppressed.
- Alifatisk 3y ago> One of the seller told me : "But why are you looking for a lock, if it's YOUR bike?" Wow, just wow! That says a lot. Thanks for your well detailed response, I appreciate it a lot! I've noticed that if you want to research a topic regarding to china, there is always some kind of sided news source. They are either anti-china or pro-china. Where did you usually get your news from regarding china? Any non-state controlled news source?
- soueuls 3y agoI don't extensively follow the news, my long time girlfriend is Chinese, so we talk about it randomly, but I don't live in China at the moment. I am planning to move to China next year, will likely spend 4-5 years there, but China is becoming more hostile towards foreigners compared to when I was living there (2016-2017)
- pitakap7 3y agoHello, are there barriers to working and living in China? I'm also considering this option. Which city is more friendly as far as you know? Why don't you consider staying long but only for 4-5 years?
- soueuls 3y agoThe only two options are working for a Chinese company or getting married (other options are available but they are not within reach) I don't want to work for a Chinese company, but we will likely get married. As for the 4-5 years, I don't know, I have never made plans that far in my life, it's just a random number that would allow me to become fluent in the language and experience the country rather well. I think both of us wants to spend some time in Eastern Europe as well, we will see
- tamimio 3y ago> I did more research about it and discovered that Uyghurs (coming from Turkmenistan committed numerous terrorist attacks Then you didn’t do your research properly, Uyghur have concentration camps built for them in the last 5 years [1], women were sterilized [2] cultural destruction and forced labor [3] or rape [4] or even selling their organs like hair [5] or tracking Uyghur outside China [6] The thing about oppressed minorities is if you are not a minority, you won’t know it exists in your daily life (in this case, you are not an Uyghur), and with a big propaganda machine, a quick search won’t give you any accurate results, have you tried visiting that region, meeting with locals and try to investigate?! Most likely you will be kicked out by the government in no time if you did. Sure, other governments around the world did the same or worse like what you mentioned, but that doesn’t give an excuse for such thing, or being passive about a massacre as in “it is not coming from nowhere”.. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037.amp https://xjdp.aspi.org.au https://xjdp.aspi.org.au [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 [3] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-co... [4] https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/genocide-select-committee-03242023125434.html/ampRFA https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/genocide-select-comm... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/uighur-tribunal-hears-evidence-of-alleged-china-abuses https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/uighur-tribunal-hear... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-5579407 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-5579407 [5] https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/china-hair-uyghur-cpb-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/china-hair-uyghur-cpb-trnd... [6] https://time.com/6160282/arab-world-complicit-china-repression-uighurs/ https://time.com/6160282/arab-world-complicit-china-repressi...