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There's a dead comment here referencing that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine were labeled as effective treatments. Does anyone have a link to this, or anythin

There's a dead comment here referencing that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine were labeled as effective treatments. Does anyone have a link to this, or anything like it?

deeg 3y ago
The FDA made a clarifying statement about ivermectin. Some conservative groups claim this validates it as a treatment and that the FDA lied. It's bunk. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/11/fda-did-not-change-position-on-ivermectin-use-contrary-to-online-claims/ https://www.factcheck.org/2022/11/fda-did-not-change-positio...
giardini 3y ago
I do remember a discussion very early on ycombinator; one of the posters was brainstorming and presented the following: - 1. zinc ions deactivate many viruses, esp. rhinoviruses such as COVID, and zinc lozenges had long been used to halt virus advance in the mouth, throat and lungs (limited), - 2. hydroxychloroquine acts as a "zinc ionophore", allowing zinc ions to pass through the cell wall and to attack viruses inside the cell (that is, not just in the bloodstream), - 3. COVID patients were falling prey to secondary infections (i.e., COVID rapidly damaged the mucosa of the mouth, throat, lungs, opportunistic bacterial infections invaded the already-damaged tissue. Ergo use antibiotics to suppress bacterial secondary infections. into the conclusion that a valid COVID treatment was: - IMMEDIATE hydroxychloroquine and zinc supplementation (not after hospitalization), followed by - antibiotic therapy to keep secondary bacterial infections at bay. This brainstorming brought the hounds of Hell up on these forums, who decried that, in the absence of a cure, one might be free to speculate on possible remedies [there were no vaccine and no "silver bullet" yet and the need for big pharma to suppress cheap, effective treatments before release of a proprietary vaccine or a "COVID silver bullet" drug was a primary big pharma goal.] But need and time proved the poster correct: the world went ahead and treated COVID successfully without a new drug or vaccine. But on these forums the naysayers won (yes, his posts were removed from this board). Even today the word "hydroxychloroquine" is flagged on ycombinator during entry, even though not a misspelling. That was the end of my trust in ycombinator.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  I never trust censored forums (such as HN) on political or polemic debates. I remember when the first cases of COVID started in Wuhan. 4chan was full of videos of people being arrested en masse in China and mountains of bodies being dragged. Doctors who alerted people of the virus on WeChat were arrested. It was months before any official information of this came out. As much as uncensored spaces are full of stupid memes such as Qanon it's still a valuable source for suppressed news. I wish there was a place for good faith high quality evidence-based discussions that didn't fall prey to excessive ideological moderation but this may be mutually exclusive.

There's a dead comment here referencing that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine were labeled as effective treatments. Does anyone have a link to this, or anything like it?

deeg 3y ago

The FDA made a clarifying statement about ivermectin. Some conservative groups claim this validates it as a treatment and that the FDA lied. It's bunk. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/11/fda-did-not-change-position-on-ivermectin-use-contrary-to-online-claims/ https://www.factcheck.org/2022/11/fda-did-not-change-positio...

giardini 3y ago

I do remember a discussion very early on ycombinator; one of the posters was brainstorming and presented the following: - 1. zinc ions deactivate many viruses, esp. rhinoviruses such as COVID, and zinc lozenges had long been used to halt virus advance in the mouth, throat and lungs (limited), - 2. hydroxychloroquine acts as a "zinc ionophore", allowing zinc ions to pass through the cell wall and to attack viruses inside the cell (that is, not just in the bloodstream), - 3. COVID patients were falling prey to secondary infections (i.e., COVID rapidly damaged the mucosa of the mouth, throat, lungs, opportunistic bacterial infections invaded the already-damaged tissue. Ergo use antibiotics to suppress bacterial secondary infections. into the conclusion that a valid COVID treatment was: - IMMEDIATE hydroxychloroquine and zinc supplementation (not after hospitalization), followed by - antibiotic therapy to keep secondary bacterial infections at bay. This brainstorming brought the hounds of Hell up on these forums, who decried that, in the absence of a cure, one might be free to speculate on possible remedies [there were no vaccine and no "silver bullet" yet and the need for big pharma to suppress cheap, effective treatments before release of a proprietary vaccine or a "COVID silver bullet" drug was a primary big pharma goal.] But need and time proved the poster correct: the world went ahead and treated COVID successfully without a new drug or vaccine. But on these forums the naysayers won (yes, his posts were removed from this board). Even today the word "hydroxychloroquine" is flagged on ycombinator during entry, even though not a misspelling. That was the end of my trust in ycombinator.

hotdogscout 3y ago
I never trust censored forums (such as HN) on political or polemic debates. I remember when the first cases of COVID started in Wuhan. 4chan was full of videos of people being arrested en masse in China and mountains of bodies being dragged. Doctors who alerted people of the virus on WeChat were arrested. It was months before any official information of this came out. As much as uncensored spaces are full of stupid memes such as Qanon it's still a valuable source for suppressed news. I wish there was a place for good faith high quality evidence-based discussions that didn't fall prey to excessive ideological moderation but this may be mutually exclusive.