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> the technological expertise Russia has always had ...used to have. For several reasons they're lagging behind now and the war isn't helping.

PaulHoule 3y ago
Russia is good at some things and bad at other things. The S-400 missiles use a SPARC-derived CPU designed by Elbrus but made by TSMC in Taiwan. Russia is world-beating in nuclear, they are the only people who build LWRs on an n-th of a kind (NOAK) basis and have a working fast reactor that is quite a beautiful machine with no drama. They will build a reactor in your country, supply fuel and then take it away.
- tguvot 3y ago
  used to be made in taiwan. not anymore
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    Now it is not made anywhere!
  - KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
    > used to be made in taiwan. not anymore They are idiots for allowing the tech to be produced overseas. It's the only true bargaining chip they have aside from their strategic location.
    - tguvot 3y ago
      they don't have capabilities for local production. so it's either build overseas or not build at all
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      How does Russia have a strategic location? The vast majority of their country is a frozen wasteland, and they desperately needed Crimea to have a decent warm water naval base. They have decent mineral resources and have shared borders with several important countries, but that is about all that is strategic about their geographical location.
      - KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
        Misread GP's post. Was referring to TSMC building plants overseas in Arizona.
rayiner 3y ago
I’m talking more about the fact that Russia has certain “civilizational milestone” technologies most countries don’t have: space flight, the full stack of aircraft, nuclear, etc. Other countries have to get those technologies from the west.
- tguvot 3y ago
  > space flight so-so. they dropped behind everybody last time i checked. also amount of various failures rising >the full stack of aircraft military - maybe. for some values of "military". civilian - made from foreign parts. those that are sourced from russian parts they still can't produce them
- hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
  > “civilizational milestone” technologies I don't want to start a flamewar or hair-splitting over this issue, but somehow, especially after the Bucha massacre, including the adjective “civilizational” in the context of Russia somehow doesn't feel right. Just “milestone technologies” sounds more apt.
webmobdev 3y ago
Yes, they do seem to be lagging. > Ironically, India and Russia had at first planned to jointly design and launch Chandrayaan-2, after the historic discovery of water by ISRO’s first lunar probe in 2011. Differences arose between their space agencies over the configuration of Chandrayaan-2. While ISRO was keen on a lander and rover, its Russian counterpart felt a lander would suffice, according to Dr. Annadurai. > The upshot: ISRO reconfigured the spacecraft and hoisted it as its first probe to Mars (Mars Orbiter Mission or MOM) in November 2013, while its Russian counterpart teamed up with the Chinese space agency for a voyage to the Moon. The Russian lander, however, was lost during a midcourse correction, he added. - https://www.rt.com/india/581733-india-lands-on-the-moon/ https://www.rt.com/india/581733-india-lands-on-the-moon/ They are lagging behind because the breakup of the USSR, and their subsequent experiment with "capitalism" really damaged their economy and local industries. That disruption, stagnation, and even shutdown of many local industries lead to the loss of IP, scientific manpower and neglect of R&D for sometime. It is only in the last decade or two now that some economic stability has returned to Russia and it started focusing on R&D again. It is however difficult to say if they can catch up. When India once setup their own foundry to build and produce chips, they were at one point equivalent to the Taiwanese in chip process node. But they shut it down after a fire. Now more than 2+ decades later, even if India setups another fab, who knows how many decades it would take India to catch up with Taiwan.
- hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
  > Now more than 2+ decades later, even if India setups another fab, who knows how many decades it would take India to catch up with Taiwan. I'd say it's definitely worth trying anyway. Maybe even more than the space program.
  - webmobdev 3y ago
    There are other complex issues - one of the reasons India decided to shutdown the fab was because they require an incredible amount of pure water. India is afraid that diverting water to fabs would hinder its agricultural production and curtail its ability to feed its billion+ population. (India was once dependent on food imports and it was a horrible political experience due to the unfair demands made on India for it).

PaulHoule 3y ago

Russia is good at some things and bad at other things. The S-400 missiles use a SPARC-derived CPU designed by Elbrus but made by TSMC in Taiwan. Russia is world-beating in nuclear, they are the only people who build LWRs on an n-th of a kind (NOAK) basis and have a working fast reactor that is quite a beautiful machine with no drama. They will build a reactor in your country, supply fuel and then take it away.

tguvot 3y ago
used to be made in taiwan. not anymore
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  Now it is not made anywhere!
- KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
  > used to be made in taiwan. not anymore They are idiots for allowing the tech to be produced overseas. It's the only true bargaining chip they have aside from their strategic location.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    they don't have capabilities for local production. so it's either build overseas or not build at all
  - lockhouse 3y ago
    How does Russia have a strategic location? The vast majority of their country is a frozen wasteland, and they desperately needed Crimea to have a decent warm water naval base. They have decent mineral resources and have shared borders with several important countries, but that is about all that is strategic about their geographical location.
    - KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
      Misread GP's post. Was referring to TSMC building plants overseas in Arizona.

rayiner 3y ago

I’m talking more about the fact that Russia has certain “civilizational milestone” technologies most countries don’t have: space flight, the full stack of aircraft, nuclear, etc. Other countries have to get those technologies from the west.

tguvot 3y ago
> space flight so-so. they dropped behind everybody last time i checked. also amount of various failures rising >the full stack of aircraft military - maybe. for some values of "military". civilian - made from foreign parts. those that are sourced from russian parts they still can't produce them
hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
> “civilizational milestone” technologies I don't want to start a flamewar or hair-splitting over this issue, but somehow, especially after the Bucha massacre, including the adjective “civilizational” in the context of Russia somehow doesn't feel right. Just “milestone technologies” sounds more apt.

webmobdev 3y ago

Yes, they do seem to be lagging. > Ironically, India and Russia had at first planned to jointly design and launch Chandrayaan-2, after the historic discovery of water by ISRO’s first lunar probe in 2011. Differences arose between their space agencies over the configuration of Chandrayaan-2. While ISRO was keen on a lander and rover, its Russian counterpart felt a lander would suffice, according to Dr. Annadurai. > The upshot: ISRO reconfigured the spacecraft and hoisted it as its first probe to Mars (Mars Orbiter Mission or MOM) in November 2013, while its Russian counterpart teamed up with the Chinese space agency for a voyage to the Moon. The Russian lander, however, was lost during a midcourse correction, he added. - https://www.rt.com/india/581733-india-lands-on-the-moon/ https://www.rt.com/india/581733-india-lands-on-the-moon/ They are lagging behind because the breakup of the USSR, and their subsequent experiment with "capitalism" really damaged their economy and local industries. That disruption, stagnation, and even shutdown of many local industries lead to the loss of IP, scientific manpower and neglect of R&D for sometime. It is only in the last decade or two now that some economic stability has returned to Russia and it started focusing on R&D again. It is however difficult to say if they can catch up. When India once setup their own foundry to build and produce chips, they were at one point equivalent to the Taiwanese in chip process node. But they shut it down after a fire. Now more than 2+ decades later, even if India setups another fab, who knows how many decades it would take India to catch up with Taiwan.

hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
> Now more than 2+ decades later, even if India setups another fab, who knows how many decades it would take India to catch up with Taiwan. I'd say it's definitely worth trying anyway. Maybe even more than the space program.
- webmobdev 3y ago
  There are other complex issues - one of the reasons India decided to shutdown the fab was because they require an incredible amount of pure water. India is afraid that diverting water to fabs would hinder its agricultural production and curtail its ability to feed its billion+ population. (India was once dependent on food imports and it was a horrible political experience due to the unfair demands made on India for it).