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Ironically, the swipe at Elon in the title is itself disinformation, since he’s doing nothing of the sort. He is however allowing real people to have free spee
by natch 3y ago
Ironically, the swipe at Elon in the title is itself disinformation, since he’s doing nothing of the sort.
He is however allowing real people to have free speech as defined within the bounds of law (and the rules of the platform obviously), so that different viewpoints can be aired in the light of day.
- rideontime 3y ago> and the rules of the platform obviously This little parenthetical destroys the rest of your claim.
- natch 3y agoYou don’t back up your claim but I disagree and here’s why: It’s perfectly legit to disallow spam for instance. Incitements to violence, stalking, and doxing would be other easy examples.
- rideontime 3y agoThe point is that "as defined within the bounds of the law" is a subset of "the rules of the platform" and is thus meaningless here.
- natch 3y agook
- dclowd9901 3y agoI do loathe to make the comparison because it’s lazy, but humor me: if, back during the rise of the third reich, someone were able to silence Hitler and keep him from gaining the spotlight and eventually becoming Germany’s chancellor, would it not have been a good idea to do that? Do you not believe in the possibility that some people just are _bad_ for the world and maybe should not be heard? Has history not shown enough that such people have and do exist? I’m not sure I believe in free speech for everyone. I think some people are simply too powerful to be able to say whatever they want.
- karmakurtisaani 3y agoFree speech is a trade off between being able to criticize the powerful and allowing room for demagogues, racism, lies, falsehoods and misinformation. I wish more people would understand that.
- hotdogscout 3y agoAll of the things you consider truth were once labeled misinformation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
- krapp 3y agoAnd yet, despite that, Jewish space lasers don't actually cause forest fires.
- hotdogscout 3y agoProbably because you're cherry picking the most absurd example.
- krapp 3y agoNo, I'm picking an obvious example. I could pick many more less obvious examples, particularly around COVID or politics, but most other conspiracies or systems of disinformation have enough adherents here that it would only cause unnecessary rancor. Simply opposing the common narrative that all censorship is evil, truth doesn't exist and facts are newspeak is controversial enough. The implication of the above comment is that we cannot trust that any claim is misinformation, much less attempt to censor it, because cases of supposed misinformation in the past have turned out to be true. This is the same category of argument made in defense of conspiracy theories - MKUltra was real so how can you deny the possibility that ${CONSPIRACY} is also true? Obviously this line of reasoning (although it's really a politically motivated argument,) is faulty. Actual disinformation and lies do exist, and it is possible to differentiate between them in most cases - even most controversial cases. That there is so much effort, in the name of "free speech," to muddy the waters and normalize fear of "truth itself" as the only real cognitive hazard is itself telling.
- te_chris 3y agoLmao he has not. He’s been redpilled and lets his fellow travellers do what he likes. Anyone he doesn’t like still gets banned
- aPoCoMiLogin 3y agoNot an Elon fan but citation needed
- AlexandrB 3y agoElonJet for starters.
- aPoCoMiLogin 3y agoThat's different case IMO, and the ban did more publicity than good. So where are the other cases of bans?
- natch 3y agoStalking and personal endangerment, I think there’s a platform rule for that, which seems fine. What else you got?
- mark_l_watson 3y agoI agree. There are now three federal regulators going after Elon because he is inconvenient to the unified news+military+intelligence+financial complex. I don’t blame the general public for not understanding what goes on in the world - the filtering of what information is shown to the public is effective. I am an old guy (in my 70s) and I like to reflect back on all the things that have been labeled “conspiracy theories” in my life that were later to be shown to be true. Breathtaking in the scope of deception.