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You call it "censorship", I call it fighting disinformation, fear mongering and state-actor propaganda campaigns. I would welcome measures that go a lot furthe
by mavu 3y ago
You call it "censorship", I call it fighting disinformation, fear mongering and state-actor propaganda campaigns.
I would welcome measures that go a lot further than this.
- 5436757567 3y agoSo you oppose freedom of speech, you oppose property rights, you oppose the right to protect children. Because you oppose basic rules in society, I support violence to fight you
- mavu 3y agoAhahahaha :D Thanks, made me laugh :)
- kmlx 3y agoit’s censorship by the politicians of the day. europe has been backsliding on hard won freedoms for a while. this is just part of the trend.
- scrollaway 3y agoYawn at empty generalisations with zero backing data.
- kmlx 3y agoright to forget, gdpr, now this. it’s a clusterfuck.
- scrollaway 3y agoYou just cited two of the most pro consumer laws in the world. I guess I know which industry you work for…
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoI enjoy all the website, banners, and I’m certain that my choices are being respectful fully.
- scrollaway 3y agoCiting people breaking gdpr as a failing of the EU is like citing people speeding as a failing of traffic rules.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoWhy wouldn’t it be plausible that some traffic rules are ineffective and we can be critical of them?
- kmlx 3y ago> You just cited two of the most pro consumer laws in the world. i guess you don't live in europe. > I guess I know which industry you work for… your guess is wrong.
- whatwhaaaaat 3y ago[flagged]
- oaiey 3y agoMany countries do not elect leaders but parlamentarian representants with their own freedom to elect whoever they like. While I do not appreciate the way how the commission is assembled, it is just two election representations away from the people. The commission has a regular change of both the people in it and the election body (aka the governments). I am not to strong on the definition of dictatorship but typically you have long living single person with malicious intent on top of it. Not the case here.
- oaiey 3y agoAnd on topic of trade union: we are now 20 or 30 years beyond that point depending which treaty you take. When you integrate trade, you agree on rules. When you establish rules, you need a government body. When you govern the four freedoms, how much is left you do not govern. The deeper you integrate trade, the more it becomes a single construct/country/union. Everything else is just not logically (take international trade agreement eg. US/EU agreements... These are pseudo laws which have such a worse standing everywhere... That is so much worse)
- whatwhaaaaat 3y agoYeah just like I said. Voted for a trade Union - ended up in a dictatorship where some old bloke from France is telling you what you can read. I’m not arguing about this - no one could - just commenting on the early signs of the unions breakdown.
- malermeister 3y ago> Who elected Theery again??? The people of France, when they elected the government that picked him, same way every commissioner is picked by their elected government.
- em-bee 3y agothe problem is, who gets to decide what is disinformation? yes, there is a lot of fake news out there, and i'd rather see it go away, but i fear that the barrier to decide if something is disinformation is to low. if someone claims that something is disinformation, it is not enough to show that it contradicts some other information, but once such a conflict exist we have to go the next step and show actual evidence that one is right and the other is wrong. and the source spreading the disinformation has to be given the chance to present their evidence as well. if they can't then they may be denounced accordingly, but their spread should then only be limited, and not outright blocked so that there is still a chance to critically evaluate it.
- em-bee 3y agohere is what i would like to see: * there must not be a single entity that is the arbiter of truth, but we need multiple independent institutions that evaluate sensitive topics and give their recommendations. content providers may then follow any one of these institutions at their choice. (most practical would be to have regional institutions to give diversity, but content providers may follow any of them. if the french one says something is ok, and the german one says it's not, then the content may still be unrestricted even in germany) * content must not be completely blocked but should come with a warning or be hidden. like on hackernews. i can, if i want to, access all the dead content. it's just an extra step, and the majority won't bother with it, but the ones curious can check, and if there is something wrongly hidden they can share that.
- oaiey 3y agoThe commission is subject to the courts like any other government body. The European courts have been quite in point in defending consumers and common people. IMHO no drama here.
- bawolff 3y agoI hate it when people define dirty words like censorship to only mean censoring "good" things, and censoring bad things is not "censorship" but some other more positive euphamism. Every single regime that has ever censored anything did it in their mind for the "good" of the people to protect them from negative influences.
- oaiey 3y agoAnd while you are right, languages and communications play with nuances like that. It is all about context.