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I'm so confused. My response was not specific to border crossing or the immigration process, it was the broader claim: "The US also has unusually large differ

by refurb 3y ago

I'm so confused. My response was not specific to border crossing or the immigration process, it was the broader claim: "The US also has unusually large differences between the rights of citizens and non-citizens. In the European way of thinking, most rights are human rights. Citizens only enjoy a limited set of additional rights." So I posted a link to an article showing that, no, the EU is not that different than the US in having a different set of rights for citizens and non-citizen. Your comment about "Asylum seekers anywhere do not have the same rights as the citizens of that particular country or immigration area", which basically agrees with the point I was trying to make.

jacquesm 3y ago
The EU doesn't derive most rights from human rights. Every country has its own constitution and the differences between EU countries is vast, as is the relationship of each country in the union (and plenty outside of it) with the EU. All these generalizations serve no purpose and are strictly speaking off-topic. If you're going to make such comparisons you're going to have to work a lot on clarifying the context within which your comment is made because it is very easy to misconstrue what you write on account of the gap between the situation as it really is and how you present it. Dragging in asylum seekers serves no purpose, that's not what this is about at all, so you categorically can't illustrate any differences between the US and the EU regarding the rights of people crossing borders by shifting the topic like that. Even if such a comparison in the abstract might be interesting. We could also start a conversation on emacs vs vi in this thread, it would be about as off-topic.
- refurb 3y ago
  All these generalizations serve no purpose and are strictly speaking off-topic. I agree, but I'm responding to a comment that made a generalization, not bringing a generalization into the discussion. Dragging in asylum seekers serves no purpose I'm responding to a generalization, so providing a specific example where the generalization is untrue, serves the purpose of proving that the generalization is untrue. If you have concerns that specific topics shouldn't evolve into broader topics (that seems to happen in the comment of every HN post?), that's fine, but I think your comment would have been better directed at the person I originally replied to that introduced the generalization.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    No, you introduced the topic. The parent to your comment did not mention asylum seekers at all. Unless you have some other comment in mind, in that case would you mind pointing it out?
    - refurb 3y ago
      The comment I originally replied to said "The US also has unusually large differences between the rights of citizens and non-citizens. In the European way of thinking, most rights are human rights. Citizens only enjoy a limited set of additional rights." Which is clearly broadening the conversation beyond just border inspections.

by refurb 3y ago

jacquesm 3y ago

The EU doesn't derive most rights from human rights. Every country has its own constitution and the differences between EU countries is vast, as is the relationship of each country in the union (and plenty outside of it) with the EU. All these generalizations serve no purpose and are strictly speaking off-topic. If you're going to make such comparisons you're going to have to work a lot on clarifying the context within which your comment is made because it is very easy to misconstrue what you write on account of the gap between the situation as it really is and how you present it. Dragging in asylum seekers serves no purpose, that's not what this is about at all, so you categorically can't illustrate any differences between the US and the EU regarding the rights of people crossing borders by shifting the topic like that. Even if such a comparison in the abstract might be interesting. We could also start a conversation on emacs vs vi in this thread, it would be about as off-topic.

refurb 3y ago
All these generalizations serve no purpose and are strictly speaking off-topic. I agree, but I'm responding to a comment that made a generalization, not bringing a generalization into the discussion. Dragging in asylum seekers serves no purpose I'm responding to a generalization, so providing a specific example where the generalization is untrue, serves the purpose of proving that the generalization is untrue. If you have concerns that specific topics shouldn't evolve into broader topics (that seems to happen in the comment of every HN post?), that's fine, but I think your comment would have been better directed at the person I originally replied to that introduced the generalization.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  No, you introduced the topic. The parent to your comment did not mention asylum seekers at all. Unless you have some other comment in mind, in that case would you mind pointing it out?
  - refurb 3y ago
    The comment I originally replied to said "The US also has unusually large differences between the rights of citizens and non-citizens. In the European way of thinking, most rights are human rights. Citizens only enjoy a limited set of additional rights." Which is clearly broadening the conversation beyond just border inspections.