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It's... not expensive at all? Companies don't do their own investigations. The FBI does them, and they charge the same rate for everyone. If the clearance appli

It's... not expensive at all? Companies don't do their own investigations. The FBI does them, and they charge the same rate for everyone. If the clearance application fee is what's going to break your company, you've got some bigger problems. I've worked for several DoD contractors. The question on the job application is "is there anything that would prevent you from obtaining a clearance?" It's not "are you a citizen or green card holder?" And all that doesn't even really matter. Export controlled information is Controlled, Unclassified Information (CUI). It's one of the lowest grades of information we handle. It's in the name, you don't need a clearance to have access to it. Thus you don't need an investigation. The most you need is a background check, which most companies do for everyone, anyway.

pc_edwin 3y ago
In this case its not about clearance, its about immigration status. I'm not an expert on any of this but my understanding is you can work straight away as a refugee with a pending status. This is fine for normal companies but it gets very tricky for companies under ITAR. If the asylum application gets rejected, the work the person did when on pending status could be a violation. All the work they do after rejection would be an ITAR violation (so the company would have continuously monitor status).
xyzzyz 3y ago
Sorry, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. > "is there anything that would prevent you from obtaining a clearance?" If SpaceX asked that, it would be even easier for govies to prosecute them, because very few of SpaceX employees actually need clearance, and you cannot require clearance eligibility if you don't actually plan to clear them and have them work on cleared work. You are confusing ITAR regulations with classification regime, and these two are wholly separate things. > Export controlled information is Controlled, Unclassified Information (CUI). It's not, how could it possibly be? CUI is labelling the government bodies put on stuff. ITAR and EAR covers stuff regardless of whether the government had anything to do with it. For example, if you work as a hobby on software to model nuclear bomb explosions, you'd better not show it your colleagues on H1B, as it's covered by ITAR. It's not CUI, because no govie has slapped CUI on it.

pc_edwin 3y ago

In this case its not about clearance, its about immigration status. I'm not an expert on any of this but my understanding is you can work straight away as a refugee with a pending status. This is fine for normal companies but it gets very tricky for companies under ITAR. If the asylum application gets rejected, the work the person did when on pending status could be a violation. All the work they do after rejection would be an ITAR violation (so the company would have continuously monitor status).

xyzzyz 3y ago

Sorry, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. > "is there anything that would prevent you from obtaining a clearance?" If SpaceX asked that, it would be even easier for govies to prosecute them, because very few of SpaceX employees actually need clearance, and you cannot require clearance eligibility if you don't actually plan to clear them and have them work on cleared work. You are confusing ITAR regulations with classification regime, and these two are wholly separate things. > Export controlled information is Controlled, Unclassified Information (CUI). It's not, how could it possibly be? CUI is labelling the government bodies put on stuff. ITAR and EAR covers stuff regardless of whether the government had anything to do with it. For example, if you work as a hobby on software to model nuclear bomb explosions, you'd better not show it your colleagues on H1B, as it's covered by ITAR. It's not CUI, because no govie has slapped CUI on it.