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Do you condone this attack too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty What level of viol
by wwtdtgotiatl 3y ago
Do you condone this attack too:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty
What level of violence is too much in response to being offended by someone else's words or nonviolent actions?
Many in the Islamic world consider that response just.
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- sph 3y agoI know words don't mean anything today, but I said fascists get what they deserve. This person and the people killed at Charlie Hebdo were not fascist, so what your doing here is political misconstruction of my words. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism If a person, because of their ideology, is capable of hate against others to the point of killing them, they should not get a free pass. This includes fascists, Ku-Klux-Klanners or Islamist radicals than blow themselves up, as well as those that condone that sort of behaviour.
- msla 3y ago> This person and the people killed at Charlie Hebdo were not fascist They were if you define Fascism the same way certain religious groups do.
- _cenw 3y agoRichard Spencer is the most brand label fascism that fascism will get at this point in time. I mean, ffs, read the first few paragraphs on the guys wikipedia page before you defend him.
- msla 3y agoI'm not defending anyone in that interaction. The fact you think I am is why I don't want you hitting people for being "fascist" when you don't know what the Hell that is.
- _cenw 3y agoI get it, you want to point out how hard, or even borderline impossible it is to delineate who is a fascist and who isn't, because you think people use the word to loosely. Maybe they know the word better than you, though? Maybe they're not as oblivious to the dog whistles. Well, either way, I don't really care where "the line" is here, because Richard Spencer is so clearly over it, it's a ridiculous argument to make. Because actually, often it is quite clear.
- msla 3y agoNo, I want to point out that the idiots who think hitting others accomplishes something don't know what the hell a "Fascist" is. Look up the history of Weimar Germany. That's what "hitting Fascists" accomplishes. Anyone who wants that must be a Fascist, like you.
- jubalfh 3y agowhich point in the history of the weimar republic proves that it's punching the nazis too much that brought hitler to power? (please support your claims with citations, thanks.)
- _cenw 3y agoThis is a hilarious misinterpretation of history. Imagine if the nazis hadn't been beaten back during the Beer Hall Putsch. If you can level a criticism at violence during the Weimer Republic, it's that is was too unfocused, with monarchists, social democrats and communists (who, indeed, were the original organization structure known as "Antifaschistische Aktion", or colloquially, Antifa) all beating each other up as much as they did nazis.
- krapp 3y agoClearly World War 2 could have been avoided if the Allies had simply challenged Hitler and the other Axis leaders to a debate.
- rbanffy 3y ago> Many in the Islamic world consider that response just. It's fair to say most in the Islamic world would consider that response unjust and, more pragmatically, counter-productive. Don't let misconceptions get the best of you.
- _cenw 3y agoWe went from punching (a form of activism you might not agree with, but one that arguably works to make fascists afraid of public appearances - like milkshakes) a genocidal nazi to outright murder with a extremist religious motive. And you even go on to paint that extremist like an average muslim. Islamophobic gargabe. This would be like me calling the Oklahoma City bombers "average americans".