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I have honestly given up on Windows. It has extremely strong fundamentals, but they seem determined to mine their users for money instead of investing in a plat

I have honestly given up on Windows. It has extremely strong fundamentals, but they seem determined to mine their users for money instead of investing in a platform. I find what's happening in Apple world to be dire, but at least they have been good stewards of the user. Desktop Linux has its own serious problems as well (there's a reason its at 3%~ market penetration). I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I think Apple for now, keep my usage of Apple services to a reasonable minimum, and keep an eye on what's going on in the Linux world.

yonatan8070 3y ago
As a Linux user, both on the desktop and on my home servers, what "serious problems" does the Linux desktop have? I know it isn't perfect, are you referring to the lack software support by the likes Adobe and MS Office?
- arcanemachiner 3y ago
  My Linux install does dumb shit (technical term) all the time, but I find it's a small price to pay for software that doesn't hate me. Case in point: I just upgraded to the newish Xubuntu 23.04 the other day, and now my default sound output device changes (to the wrong one) every time I come out of sleep mode. A small price to pay.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    Kubuntu 23.04 kernel 6.4.11 here - works fine. The issue you describe may be XFCE specific.
    - parker_mountain 3y ago
      "Works for me" is the anthem of all linux desktop users.
  - MonaroVXR 3y ago
    That maybe specific to that distribution and not Linux as a whole.
- tempaccount1234 3y ago
  Driver support. For example on Ubuntu I can’t use touch gestures on my touch screen and can’t assign all keyboard keys. Ok, not everyone uses a Japanese laptop with a European windows, but that works pretty well…
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  Used a Linux machine for a while when my Mac was being repaired. It's not enough for professional use, unless you're a programmer or sysadmin. - I couldn't find a good enough e-mail client, so did what every Linux user I know do and used webmail. That means you lose speed and features. - Dual screen support for different DPI is non-existent in most distros, and has to be hacked with xrandr scripts to work in other distros. - Audio or Bluetooth not working - Very messy to install software. The native "App Store" wouldn't work or connect, so had to resort to shell commands. - Lack of suitable productivity software (which you mentioned). As long as nobody wants to offer a complete Linux solution with hardware, operating system and productivity software, then it will continue to be like this. That's the problem with OSS, everybody wants to blame each other and nobody wants to take responsibility and deliver a complete experience to users.
  - yummypaint 3y ago
    People like to compare random laptops running linux against macbooks running osx or thinkpads running windows, but that isn't really fair as linux is being expected to correctly support more hardware than the commercial options. Compare a thinkpad running windows to the same computer running linux. I have been getting an experience superior to windows on an old x220 for the better part of a decade now. Absolutely everything works perfectly out of the box. Lack of proper ssh graphical support, wrong file path notation, constant inexcusable security fuck-ups, and a user-hostile philosophy makes windows unsuitable for serious work. It isn't capable of being left alone for more than a few days without restarting the computer it's on. What a bad joke in 2023. At my workplace people innevitably start using a vm or try to patch things over with putty, but eventually most excorcise microsoft from their work laptops and join the real world.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      The reason why I used a Linux machine while my Mac was being repaired is because I would never even consider Windows. I needed to get important work done, uninterrupted. With very minimal time to tinker with the system. Linux was a total disappointment, but at least I could get through the time while the Mac was being repaired. If something like this happens again, I'll just try to Hackintosh any machine, because you might have to tinker and hack and pull your hair as much as with Linux, but in the end you can get a decent system for non-dev work.

yonatan8070 3y ago

As a Linux user, both on the desktop and on my home servers, what "serious problems" does the Linux desktop have? I know it isn't perfect, are you referring to the lack software support by the likes Adobe and MS Office?

arcanemachiner 3y ago
My Linux install does dumb shit (technical term) all the time, but I find it's a small price to pay for software that doesn't hate me. Case in point: I just upgraded to the newish Xubuntu 23.04 the other day, and now my default sound output device changes (to the wrong one) every time I come out of sleep mode. A small price to pay.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  Kubuntu 23.04 kernel 6.4.11 here - works fine. The issue you describe may be XFCE specific.
  - parker_mountain 3y ago
    "Works for me" is the anthem of all linux desktop users.
- MonaroVXR 3y ago
  That maybe specific to that distribution and not Linux as a whole.
tempaccount1234 3y ago
Driver support. For example on Ubuntu I can’t use touch gestures on my touch screen and can’t assign all keyboard keys. Ok, not everyone uses a Japanese laptop with a European windows, but that works pretty well…
carlosjobim 3y ago
Used a Linux machine for a while when my Mac was being repaired. It's not enough for professional use, unless you're a programmer or sysadmin. - I couldn't find a good enough e-mail client, so did what every Linux user I know do and used webmail. That means you lose speed and features. - Dual screen support for different DPI is non-existent in most distros, and has to be hacked with xrandr scripts to work in other distros. - Audio or Bluetooth not working - Very messy to install software. The native "App Store" wouldn't work or connect, so had to resort to shell commands. - Lack of suitable productivity software (which you mentioned). As long as nobody wants to offer a complete Linux solution with hardware, operating system and productivity software, then it will continue to be like this. That's the problem with OSS, everybody wants to blame each other and nobody wants to take responsibility and deliver a complete experience to users.
- yummypaint 3y ago
  People like to compare random laptops running linux against macbooks running osx or thinkpads running windows, but that isn't really fair as linux is being expected to correctly support more hardware than the commercial options. Compare a thinkpad running windows to the same computer running linux. I have been getting an experience superior to windows on an old x220 for the better part of a decade now. Absolutely everything works perfectly out of the box. Lack of proper ssh graphical support, wrong file path notation, constant inexcusable security fuck-ups, and a user-hostile philosophy makes windows unsuitable for serious work. It isn't capable of being left alone for more than a few days without restarting the computer it's on. What a bad joke in 2023. At my workplace people innevitably start using a vm or try to patch things over with putty, but eventually most excorcise microsoft from their work laptops and join the real world.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    The reason why I used a Linux machine while my Mac was being repaired is because I would never even consider Windows. I needed to get important work done, uninterrupted. With very minimal time to tinker with the system. Linux was a total disappointment, but at least I could get through the time while the Mac was being repaired. If something like this happens again, I'll just try to Hackintosh any machine, because you might have to tinker and hack and pull your hair as much as with Linux, but in the end you can get a decent system for non-dev work.