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Did Beethoven make his best stuff after he went deaf (genuinely curious; I'm inherently Beethskeptical after being Toccata-Fugue-D-minor-pilled)? Martin O'Donne

Did Beethoven make his best stuff after he went deaf (genuinely curious; I'm inherently Beethskeptical after being Toccata-Fugue-D-minor-pilled)? Martin O'Donnell and Michael Salvatori were technologically well-resourced as far as I can tell. Why did nujabes pioneer lo-fi? I don't think there's anything fundamentally limiting about the iPad or iPhone computationally. The only limiting factor is the interface. Which if you're trying to cultivate frustration in order to pour it into your album, sure. But mere frustration is better had elsewhere, imo. I think that staying with the typewriter to write books is entirely different than adopting a curated, sandboxed mobile device as one's medium. Firstly, it was at one point the gold standard for writing. Never the case with touch screens. Secondly, iPhones and iPads are not simpler or less distracting than a typewriter, or even a computer not connected to the internet. playing with the chmod command from 1970 is really not that interesting. But also I seriously doubt that people will look back on iPhone 5 videos like they do and will do vinyl records, LaserDiscs, or even CDs.

gizajob 3y ago
“iPhones and iPads are not simpler or less distracting than a typewriter” Yeah, my point. Please read my comment before negating it as matter of course. Beethoven’s ears breaking is a slightly different issue than technological limitations - his technology of ink on paper was still the same. He wasn’t playing each orchestral part one by one when he wrote his symphonies, he just couldn’t hear his main composing instrument any more, but had obviously internalised the skill of hearing it all in his head long before he lost the ability to hear it outside of his head upon playback, sadly. Nujabes didn’t pioneer lo-fi.
- iraqmtpizza 3y ago
  >Nujabes didn’t pioneer lo-fi. What do you want? I guess you mean he only pioneered good lo-fi that wasn't Grandmaster Flash cringe. How did Niggaz Of Destruction pioneer lo-fi? You completely skipped over my point about the internet but ok.
  - gizajob 3y ago
    I mean he didn't really pioneer anything.
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
      From whom did he steal wholesale? Also, the beatles suck wang and they ripped off elvis who ripped off blues
      - gizajob 3y ago
        If you knew what you were talking about, you’d understand that they ripped off Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins. Nujabes steals Gigi Masin's "Clouds" totally wholesale for a remix of Five Deez https://youtu.be/Yu_hqMfXIN8 https://youtu.be/Yu_hqMfXIN8 It had even been stolen wholesale before by To Rococo Rot in 1999: https://youtu.be/Dzx7p2HyKik https://youtu.be/Dzx7p2HyKik and by Bjork in 2002: https://youtu.be/A-AukyfMTKE https://youtu.be/A-AukyfMTKE
        iraqmtpizza 3y ago
        the beatles and john lennon ripped off a lot of people. the list is not exhaustive. what are you talking about? Five Deez is credited. The song is even called Latitude! LOLLLL. where's the theft? also, I'm surprised that you couldn't find any actual wholesale theft (it's DEFINITELY there, ahem Aruarian Dance https://www.reddit.com/r/Nujabes/comments/3fagps/the_story_of_aruarian_dance/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Nujabes/comments/3fagps/the_story_o...) because lo-fi as a genre IS ENTIRELY CONSTRUCTED AROUND SAMPLING OTHER PEOPLE, often uncredited, looping it, and making it sound like vinyl on a tube amp or some shit. What did you think lo-fi was? LOL. it's like vaporwave. not like electronic pop rock or rap. So your argument that theft is what prevents someone from having pioneered a genre built on theft is not just absurd, the exact opposite is true. Theft is what make lo-fi lo-fi. What is your actual argument? That the songs stolen weren't obscure enough to count as authentic lo-fi stealery? Are you some kind of lo-fi hipster that only listens to tracks with the most obscure samples from the 17th century or something? To Rococo Rot isn't lo-fi nor is that song. Björk isn't lo-fi either. It's electronic. You're not even in the same genre. So how in the fuck could they have pioneered the genre they've never been part of? Or are you off on some idiotic pedantic technicality that nujabes didn't pioneer the genre, the sounds themselves did. OOOOOHHHH. We're all so impressed. You probably think it's really insightful to blather on about how pop art is derivative because it's remixing the label from a soup can. Ten thousand IQ.

gizajob 3y ago

“iPhones and iPads are not simpler or less distracting than a typewriter” Yeah, my point. Please read my comment before negating it as matter of course. Beethoven’s ears breaking is a slightly different issue than technological limitations - his technology of ink on paper was still the same. He wasn’t playing each orchestral part one by one when he wrote his symphonies, he just couldn’t hear his main composing instrument any more, but had obviously internalised the skill of hearing it all in his head long before he lost the ability to hear it outside of his head upon playback, sadly. Nujabes didn’t pioneer lo-fi.

iraqmtpizza 3y ago
>Nujabes didn’t pioneer lo-fi. What do you want? I guess you mean he only pioneered good lo-fi that wasn't Grandmaster Flash cringe. How did Niggaz Of Destruction pioneer lo-fi? You completely skipped over my point about the internet but ok.
- gizajob 3y ago
  I mean he didn't really pioneer anything.
  - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
    From whom did he steal wholesale? Also, the beatles suck wang and they ripped off elvis who ripped off blues
    - gizajob 3y ago
      If you knew what you were talking about, you’d understand that they ripped off Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins. Nujabes steals Gigi Masin's "Clouds" totally wholesale for a remix of Five Deez https://youtu.be/Yu_hqMfXIN8 https://youtu.be/Yu_hqMfXIN8 It had even been stolen wholesale before by To Rococo Rot in 1999: https://youtu.be/Dzx7p2HyKik https://youtu.be/Dzx7p2HyKik and by Bjork in 2002: https://youtu.be/A-AukyfMTKE https://youtu.be/A-AukyfMTKE
      - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
        the beatles and john lennon ripped off a lot of people. the list is not exhaustive. what are you talking about? Five Deez is credited. The song is even called Latitude! LOLLLL. where's the theft? also, I'm surprised that you couldn't find any actual wholesale theft (it's DEFINITELY there, ahem Aruarian Dance https://www.reddit.com/r/Nujabes/comments/3fagps/the_story_of_aruarian_dance/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Nujabes/comments/3fagps/the_story_o...) because lo-fi as a genre IS ENTIRELY CONSTRUCTED AROUND SAMPLING OTHER PEOPLE, often uncredited, looping it, and making it sound like vinyl on a tube amp or some shit. What did you think lo-fi was? LOL. it's like vaporwave. not like electronic pop rock or rap. So your argument that theft is what prevents someone from having pioneered a genre built on theft is not just absurd, the exact opposite is true. Theft is what make lo-fi lo-fi. What is your actual argument? That the songs stolen weren't obscure enough to count as authentic lo-fi stealery? Are you some kind of lo-fi hipster that only listens to tracks with the most obscure samples from the 17th century or something? To Rococo Rot isn't lo-fi nor is that song. Björk isn't lo-fi either. It's electronic. You're not even in the same genre. So how in the fuck could they have pioneered the genre they've never been part of? Or are you off on some idiotic pedantic technicality that nujabes didn't pioneer the genre, the sounds themselves did. OOOOOHHHH. We're all so impressed. You probably think it's really insightful to blather on about how pop art is derivative because it's remixing the label from a soup can. Ten thousand IQ.