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Is EU really trying to slow it down? TikTok ban in US seems to be a common talking point. Meanwhile here very few people talk about it and those are seen as lun

by mantas 3y ago

Is EU really trying to slow it down? TikTok ban in US seems to be a common talking point. Meanwhile here very few people talk about it and those are seen as lunatics in most cases. Most people seem to happily approve all the GDPR dialogs too. While doomscrolling TikTok/Instagram/FB.

LelouBil 3y ago
When you have a truly compliant gdpr dialog, aka simple yes/no, I found lots of non tech people around me click no. I'd say about 50%
- developer93 3y ago
  Personally I nearly always take the time to scroll through and untick all the permissions, or find a different site because screw them, that's why. I realise I'm in the minority.
  - malermeister 3y ago
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat... This should make it a lot easier :) It auto-handles most gdpr permission walls, and yes, you can set it to reject all - that's what I do! (I'm sure this exists for Chrome, too, but if you care about this sort of thing you really should be using Firefox!)
    - drakonka 3y ago
      Thank you for this; I've been manually unticking everything since these regulations came into effect and have to admit it was getting a bit tiring (plus sometimes I was too hasty and accidentally clicked "Accept" when the cookie buttons were in a weird order or had non-standard wording.) I hope this helps me decline all the things more efficiently.
      - folmar 3y ago
        Just remove the dialogs with ublock filters; this is supposed to mean no consent. Most spy networks don't care and track before you click anyway.
    - developer93 3y ago
      Well, that made me unreasonably happy, thank you Edit: and then realise it's not applicable to android Firefox where I do most of my browsing, but thank you anyway.
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
      I much prefer https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies (far more reliable in my experience)
  - uoaei 3y ago
    GDPR mandates that they are all already unchecked except for the so-called "essential" or "functional" ones.
    - frereubu 3y ago
      I wish I had more time and / or money because this is commonly ignored, and I would love to take all organisations who don't abide by this to court just for the hell of it. Many times it's under the guise of "legitimate interest" under a separate unselected tab and I would love to test that in court.
      - account42 3y ago
        I feel like the EU should have made it so that you could actually sue corporations for GDRP violations (as long as you have enough evidence for a court to hear the case) and for the accuser to get part of the fine if you win. Would have been a much more effective enforcement strategy.
    - developer93 3y ago
      Weil, good for GDPR. Meantime, is there anything I can do to report sites that don't follow the letter of it?
      - LelouBil 3y ago
        https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rights-citizens/redress/what-should-i-do-if-i-think-my-personal-data-protection-rights-havent-been-respected_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...
- filipheremans 3y ago
  We serve a web application for logistics so our users are planners, administrative people, drivers, etc and we see the same behaviour. A lot of users ignore the dialog (so no analytics can be used, default to answering no) and learn to live with the cookie pop-up in the corner of the screen.. :-D
- troupo 3y ago
  When Apple implemented "Ask app to not track", the click through on "Ask to not track" was 90%. People care about this, so no wonders the industry as a whole is up in arms about it.
- mantas 3y ago
  I rarely see yes/no. Websites doing no tracking (thus no dialog) seem more common. Usually it’s „accept recommended trackers“ or customize by unchecking trackers one by one.
denton-scratch 3y ago
> Most people seem to happily approve all the GDPR dialogs too. What's a "GDPR dialog"? Do you mean a cookie banner? Nothing in GDPR requires a cookie banner.
- mantas 3y ago
  The cookie banner 2.0. Where you either approve all the „recommended“ tracking. Or have to go to advanced dialog, uncheck all trackers and then click non-primary submit button.
  - martin8412 3y ago
    Which is illegal.
    - tick_tock_tick 3y ago
      Except it's not. Which is why people aren't being punished for it and more sites adopt it daily.
      - dns_snek 3y ago
        Opting out must be just as easy as opting in. Companies aren't being punished for it often enough (yet), that is true, but it's absolutely illegal.
      - Sayrus 3y ago
        There may not be many fines but Facebook, Google, TikTok and Microsoft were all fined due to making it hard to refuse cookies. Amazon was also fined for not properly asking consent. If I remember correctly, one of the company making those annoying cookies banners where you have a list of trackers to uncheck was also fined for this behavior. It is illegal to not offer a clear and unambiguous opt out.
      - Xelbair 3y ago
        >If informed consent is used as the lawful basis for processing, consent must have been explicit for data collected and each purpose data is used for (Article 7; defined in Article 4).[11][12] Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject; an online form which has consent options structured as an opt-out selected by default is a violation of the GDPR, as the consent is not unambiguously affirmed by the user. In addition, multiple types of processing may not be "bundled" together into a single affirmation prompt, as this is not specific to each use of data, and the individual permissions are not freely given. (Recital 32)
HWR_14 3y ago
I thought only 10-15% of people approved all GDPR dialogs.
saiya-jin 3y ago
The only reason TikTok was banned in US is because its Chinese company. Have you completely missed all-out trade/informational/technology war US has declared on China in past few years? Huawei, ban on chips and so on and on. Facebook is doing exactly the same and wish to emulate TikTok as much as possible, sharing all data with US 3-letter agencies as required (most probably meaning everything all the time). They are just behind and lost the social momentum. Haven't heard anything about Meta products ban in US, probably because it will never ever happen.
- mantas 3y ago
  And here in europe we can’t even deal with the Chinese because muh German car market. Let alone local and murican corporations who have a lot of leverage.

by mantas 3y ago

LelouBil 3y ago

When you have a truly compliant gdpr dialog, aka simple yes/no, I found lots of non tech people around me click no. I'd say about 50%

developer93 3y ago
Personally I nearly always take the time to scroll through and untick all the permissions, or find a different site because screw them, that's why. I realise I'm in the minority.
- malermeister 3y ago
  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat... This should make it a lot easier :) It auto-handles most gdpr permission walls, and yes, you can set it to reject all - that's what I do! (I'm sure this exists for Chrome, too, but if you care about this sort of thing you really should be using Firefox!)
  - drakonka 3y ago
    Thank you for this; I've been manually unticking everything since these regulations came into effect and have to admit it was getting a bit tiring (plus sometimes I was too hasty and accidentally clicked "Accept" when the cookie buttons were in a weird order or had non-standard wording.) I hope this helps me decline all the things more efficiently.
    - folmar 3y ago
      Just remove the dialogs with ublock filters; this is supposed to mean no consent. Most spy networks don't care and track before you click anyway.
  - developer93 3y ago
    Well, that made me unreasonably happy, thank you Edit: and then realise it's not applicable to android Firefox where I do most of my browsing, but thank you anyway.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
    I much prefer https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies (far more reliable in my experience)
- uoaei 3y ago
  GDPR mandates that they are all already unchecked except for the so-called "essential" or "functional" ones.
  - frereubu 3y ago
    I wish I had more time and / or money because this is commonly ignored, and I would love to take all organisations who don't abide by this to court just for the hell of it. Many times it's under the guise of "legitimate interest" under a separate unselected tab and I would love to test that in court.
    - account42 3y ago
      I feel like the EU should have made it so that you could actually sue corporations for GDRP violations (as long as you have enough evidence for a court to hear the case) and for the accuser to get part of the fine if you win. Would have been a much more effective enforcement strategy.
  - developer93 3y ago
    Weil, good for GDPR. Meantime, is there anything I can do to report sites that don't follow the letter of it?
    - LelouBil 3y ago
      https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rights-citizens/redress/what-should-i-do-if-i-think-my-personal-data-protection-rights-havent-been-respected_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...
filipheremans 3y ago
We serve a web application for logistics so our users are planners, administrative people, drivers, etc and we see the same behaviour. A lot of users ignore the dialog (so no analytics can be used, default to answering no) and learn to live with the cookie pop-up in the corner of the screen.. :-D
troupo 3y ago
When Apple implemented "Ask app to not track", the click through on "Ask to not track" was 90%. People care about this, so no wonders the industry as a whole is up in arms about it.
mantas 3y ago
I rarely see yes/no. Websites doing no tracking (thus no dialog) seem more common. Usually it’s „accept recommended trackers“ or customize by unchecking trackers one by one.

denton-scratch 3y ago

> Most people seem to happily approve all the GDPR dialogs too. What's a "GDPR dialog"? Do you mean a cookie banner? Nothing in GDPR requires a cookie banner.

mantas 3y ago
The cookie banner 2.0. Where you either approve all the „recommended“ tracking. Or have to go to advanced dialog, uncheck all trackers and then click non-primary submit button.
- martin8412 3y ago
  Which is illegal.
  - tick_tock_tick 3y ago
    Except it's not. Which is why people aren't being punished for it and more sites adopt it daily.
    - dns_snek 3y ago
      Opting out must be just as easy as opting in. Companies aren't being punished for it often enough (yet), that is true, but it's absolutely illegal.
    - Sayrus 3y ago
      There may not be many fines but Facebook, Google, TikTok and Microsoft were all fined due to making it hard to refuse cookies. Amazon was also fined for not properly asking consent. If I remember correctly, one of the company making those annoying cookies banners where you have a list of trackers to uncheck was also fined for this behavior. It is illegal to not offer a clear and unambiguous opt out.
    - Xelbair 3y ago
      >If informed consent is used as the lawful basis for processing, consent must have been explicit for data collected and each purpose data is used for (Article 7; defined in Article 4).[11][12] Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject; an online form which has consent options structured as an opt-out selected by default is a violation of the GDPR, as the consent is not unambiguously affirmed by the user. In addition, multiple types of processing may not be "bundled" together into a single affirmation prompt, as this is not specific to each use of data, and the individual permissions are not freely given. (Recital 32)

HWR_14 3y ago

I thought only 10-15% of people approved all GDPR dialogs.

saiya-jin 3y ago

The only reason TikTok was banned in US is because its Chinese company. Have you completely missed all-out trade/informational/technology war US has declared on China in past few years? Huawei, ban on chips and so on and on. Facebook is doing exactly the same and wish to emulate TikTok as much as possible, sharing all data with US 3-letter agencies as required (most probably meaning everything all the time). They are just behind and lost the social momentum. Haven't heard anything about Meta products ban in US, probably because it will never ever happen.

mantas 3y ago
And here in europe we can’t even deal with the Chinese because muh German car market. Let alone local and murican corporations who have a lot of leverage.