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They’d have to do something more than just throw XCode on it for it to be in any way usable without full on keyboard and mouse, which would cut against what the

They’d have to do something more than just throw XCode on it for it to be in any way usable without full on keyboard and mouse, which would cut against what they’re trying to do. So there is some justification beyond just market segmentation.

diffeomorphism 3y ago
Why? Having xcode usable just with (their 350€+) keyboard seems perfectly acceptable.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  For the same reason they deliberately made iphone apps look bad -- they want applications designed to work with the device to make it a good experience and not applications designed for something else shoehorned in. I see some real wisdom in this approach considering how poor some of the alternative experiences are. Ultimately why would you buy it if it's just an inferior laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach?
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    > Ultimately why would you buy it if it's just an inferior laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach? Right now it’s inferior not-a-laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach and people still buy it.
    - emodendroket 3y ago
      Not really. It’s instead a different device offering an experience that doesn’t require a keyboard or mouse at all.
      - wiseowise 3y ago
        Why would it become worse if they add support for keyboard and mouse on top of it?
        emodendroket 3y ago
        It does offer support for a keyboard and a mouse but what you're proposing is adding features or programs that would only work (or at least only work well) with a keyboard and a mouse, which would be a pretty big departure from the current design of the device.
        wiseowise 3y ago
        If they don’t take anything from general experience, why do you care? Core of the system will still be touch oriented.
        emodendroket 3y ago
        I am contesting the idea that it's possible to compromise the design philosophy that had guided it up till now and NOT "take anything from the general experience."
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    > Ultimately why would you buy it if it's just an inferior laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach? For the same reason you carry an "inferior" camera, pda, navigation system, cellphone with very short battery life and undersized movie screen: a smartphone does all that okay-ishly. Or why ultrabooks are vastly more popular than gaming laptops. Convenience and form factor trump "inferior" all the time.
    - emodendroket 3y ago
      If you have to use the keyboard for certain tasks and so basically must always keep it attached to one it’s now heavier and more awkward than a MacBook Air. So you’re making my point here.

diffeomorphism 3y ago

Why? Having xcode usable just with (their 350€+) keyboard seems perfectly acceptable.

emodendroket 3y ago
For the same reason they deliberately made iphone apps look bad -- they want applications designed to work with the device to make it a good experience and not applications designed for something else shoehorned in. I see some real wisdom in this approach considering how poor some of the alternative experiences are. Ultimately why would you buy it if it's just an inferior laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach?
- wiseowise 3y ago
  > Ultimately why would you buy it if it's just an inferior laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach? Right now it’s inferior not-a-laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach and people still buy it.
  - emodendroket 3y ago
    Not really. It’s instead a different device offering an experience that doesn’t require a keyboard or mouse at all.
    - wiseowise 3y ago
      Why would it become worse if they add support for keyboard and mouse on top of it?
      - emodendroket 3y ago
        It does offer support for a keyboard and a mouse but what you're proposing is adding features or programs that would only work (or at least only work well) with a keyboard and a mouse, which would be a pretty big departure from the current design of the device.
        wiseowise 3y ago
        If they don’t take anything from general experience, why do you care? Core of the system will still be touch oriented.
        emodendroket 3y ago
        I am contesting the idea that it's possible to compromise the design philosophy that had guided it up till now and NOT "take anything from the general experience."
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  > Ultimately why would you buy it if it's just an inferior laptop with a touchscreen that you can detach? For the same reason you carry an "inferior" camera, pda, navigation system, cellphone with very short battery life and undersized movie screen: a smartphone does all that okay-ishly. Or why ultrabooks are vastly more popular than gaming laptops. Convenience and form factor trump "inferior" all the time.
  - emodendroket 3y ago
    If you have to use the keyboard for certain tasks and so basically must always keep it attached to one it’s now heavier and more awkward than a MacBook Air. So you’re making my point here.