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The only non-consenting advertising I can think of is public billboards - and I believe those should be banned, most definitely. Every single other type of adv

by xNeil 3y ago

The only non-consenting advertising I can think of is public billboards - and I believe those should be banned, most definitely. Every single other type of advertising requires your explicit consent. YouTube? Google? Newspapers? All have your consent.

dgb23 3y ago
This is actually a good point. I can’t avoid billboards. But I can trivially avoid FB/Google/YT etc. I can also use things like uBlock. The internet is open and inherently client focused. That’s a huge feature. We’re ultimately in control.
FridgeSeal 3y ago
This is good in theory, but does not hold for day-to-day reality. News reports, announcements, updates, etc are often announced and hosted on social media and YouTube. The main news outlets hardly host their own video, and half the useful announcements got made on Twitter first (before Musk torched it lol), so unless “remain deliberately ignorant” is the alternative - which I don’t think it is, then the reality is that you end up on one of these tech giants real quick.
- developer93 3y ago
  Or take some mildly grey area technical steps to get around it. I don't see too many ads these days between the pihole & newpipe & whatever adblockers I've got on Firefox. Traditional TV when we watch the news is basically it. That not open to everyone I know since you need some technical knowledge to set it up.
troupo 3y ago
> Every single other type of advertising requires your explicit consent. YouTube? Google? Newspapers? All have your consent. How exactly do they have that "consent"?
- xNeil 3y ago
  You must accept their Terms of Service to use them. These terms of service state that they will show you advertising, and in order to use the website, you must agree to these terms. They have very clear consent.
  - troupo 3y ago
    That EULA is a) unenforceable in many countries and b) does not constitute informed consent under GDPR
    - sib 3y ago
      Seems like good proof that the GDPR != Truth
JohnFen 3y ago
> The only non-consenting advertising I can think of is public billboards There is advertising in public washrooms, there is advertising on people's clothing, there is advertising playing on PA systems, there is advertising embedded in movies, there is advertising presented as news. There is nonconsenting advertising everywhere. In my experience, more of it is nonconsenting than consenting -- probably because very few people would actually consent to it.

by xNeil 3y ago

dgb23 3y ago

This is actually a good point. I can’t avoid billboards. But I can trivially avoid FB/Google/YT etc. I can also use things like uBlock. The internet is open and inherently client focused. That’s a huge feature. We’re ultimately in control.

FridgeSeal 3y ago

This is good in theory, but does not hold for day-to-day reality. News reports, announcements, updates, etc are often announced and hosted on social media and YouTube. The main news outlets hardly host their own video, and half the useful announcements got made on Twitter first (before Musk torched it lol), so unless “remain deliberately ignorant” is the alternative - which I don’t think it is, then the reality is that you end up on one of these tech giants real quick.

developer93 3y ago
Or take some mildly grey area technical steps to get around it. I don't see too many ads these days between the pihole & newpipe & whatever adblockers I've got on Firefox. Traditional TV when we watch the news is basically it. That not open to everyone I know since you need some technical knowledge to set it up.

troupo 3y ago

> Every single other type of advertising requires your explicit consent. YouTube? Google? Newspapers? All have your consent. How exactly do they have that "consent"?

xNeil 3y ago
You must accept their Terms of Service to use them. These terms of service state that they will show you advertising, and in order to use the website, you must agree to these terms. They have very clear consent.
- troupo 3y ago
  That EULA is a) unenforceable in many countries and b) does not constitute informed consent under GDPR
  - sib 3y ago
    Seems like good proof that the GDPR != Truth

JohnFen 3y ago

> The only non-consenting advertising I can think of is public billboards There is advertising in public washrooms, there is advertising on people's clothing, there is advertising playing on PA systems, there is advertising embedded in movies, there is advertising presented as news. There is nonconsenting advertising everywhere. In my experience, more of it is nonconsenting than consenting -- probably because very few people would actually consent to it.