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But to anyone who cares about this, the clarion call is that we haven’t yet done nearly enough. From my understanding, doing enough is impossible (with current

by pbh101 3y ago

But to anyone who cares about this, the clarion call is that we haven’t yet done nearly enough. From my understanding, doing enough is impossible (with current tech: fusion would change this and nuclear best option now) without massive energy consumption reductions: sure, some via Teslas and EnergyStar appliances (which if you look in certain corners are definitely registered as QoL reductions. More annoying but more efficient CVT car transmissions and engine-stop-at-stoplight features apply here too) and but much more via less A/C and heating or more of your income being spent on such, displacing other spending which presumably would bring about more quality of life as well. People the world over have also shown preference for eating meat and that is energy intensive as well, so pile that and other oil-intensive agriculture (effectively all of it: this is how we feed the whole planet) up in how we can project QoL to be reduced down this path.

abenga 3y ago
Those are all suggestions, pretty much none of them are the Law; and many of them have a zero effect on you, especially when building new. You can use less AC and heating by building a much better insulated house + geothermal heat pumps, for example. There is no inherent improvement in a gas furnace v some electric solution to the same problem.
- pbh101 3y ago
  Pretty sure many appliance and auto requirements are indeed law and not suggestions. Much like ‘smoking in bars,’ these are things that the providers won’t do unilaterally because some large segment of consumers strongly don’t prefer it (and I greatly appreciate no smoke in bars!) But nobody actively wants an A/C or toilet or fridge that works worse, modulo the negative externalities that some care about but even they would want the better appliances if possible. And I promise you many people including most serious chefs would say there is a giant quality of life improvement from using gas stoves.

by pbh101 3y ago

abenga 3y ago

Those are all suggestions, pretty much none of them are the Law; and many of them have a zero effect on you, especially when building new. You can use less AC and heating by building a much better insulated house + geothermal heat pumps, for example. There is no inherent improvement in a gas furnace v some electric solution to the same problem.

pbh101 3y ago
Pretty sure many appliance and auto requirements are indeed law and not suggestions. Much like ‘smoking in bars,’ these are things that the providers won’t do unilaterally because some large segment of consumers strongly don’t prefer it (and I greatly appreciate no smoke in bars!) But nobody actively wants an A/C or toilet or fridge that works worse, modulo the negative externalities that some care about but even they would want the better appliances if possible. And I promise you many people including most serious chefs would say there is a giant quality of life improvement from using gas stoves.