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I violently agree with you and am stunned at the amount of pro EU/anti US rhetoric on this forum. You make an excellent point about the EU surveillance laws. T

by rank0 3y ago

I violently agree with you and am stunned at the amount of pro EU/anti US rhetoric on this forum. You make an excellent point about the EU surveillance laws. They clearly don’t give a shit about privacy. None of the folks disagreeing ITT seem to be willing to discuss that point. The EU spends more resources regulating US corporations than they do building their own. If they want to reverse course on their economic trajectory they’re gonna have to start competing in a genuine way.

devjab 3y ago
> You make an excellent point about the EU surveillance laws. They clearly don’t give a shit about privacy. None of the folks disagreeing ITT seem to be willing to discuss that point. You can be for privacy and against survailance. Often the politicians who work to implement data protection laws and politicians who work to increase survailance come from opposite sites of the political middle. So it's not really a very good point unless you can only deal in black and white. The EU can clearly be good on some areas and terrible on others. As it is with most things. Another example could be how the green party members of the EU are working toward clean energy while the conservative branch is working to increase the markets for fossil energy simultaneously. They do so by positioning them in the legalislative branches where they get the most influence acording to their political agenda, and while that may be "weird" to people from a "winner-takes-all" sort of system, it's how the vast majority of the EU democracies work.
- rank0 3y ago
  > You can be for privacy and against survailance. Is this a typo? Of course you can they’re literally opposites. You’re performing mental gymnastics if you think that the EU is somehow “pro privacy” just because they created cookie banners via GDPR. State sponsored surveillance is FAR worse than corporate sponsored surveillance.
  - midasuni 3y ago
    The EU didn’t create those banners. HN doesn’t have such banners. The companies tried to track you created those banners.

by rank0 3y ago

devjab 3y ago

> You make an excellent point about the EU surveillance laws. They clearly don’t give a shit about privacy. None of the folks disagreeing ITT seem to be willing to discuss that point. You can be for privacy and against survailance. Often the politicians who work to implement data protection laws and politicians who work to increase survailance come from opposite sites of the political middle. So it's not really a very good point unless you can only deal in black and white. The EU can clearly be good on some areas and terrible on others. As it is with most things. Another example could be how the green party members of the EU are working toward clean energy while the conservative branch is working to increase the markets for fossil energy simultaneously. They do so by positioning them in the legalislative branches where they get the most influence acording to their political agenda, and while that may be "weird" to people from a "winner-takes-all" sort of system, it's how the vast majority of the EU democracies work.

rank0 3y ago
> You can be for privacy and against survailance. Is this a typo? Of course you can they’re literally opposites. You’re performing mental gymnastics if you think that the EU is somehow “pro privacy” just because they created cookie banners via GDPR. State sponsored surveillance is FAR worse than corporate sponsored surveillance.
- midasuni 3y ago
  The EU didn’t create those banners. HN doesn’t have such banners. The companies tried to track you created those banners.