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You can oppose "prohibition" without supporting drug use. Most drugs are clearly harmful to the human body. This includes cannabis and alcohol. Hallucinogens ca

You can oppose "prohibition" without supporting drug use. Most drugs are clearly harmful to the human body. This includes cannabis and alcohol. Hallucinogens can cause lasting psychological changes. Maybe you shouldn't be afraid of drug use, but you should be wary. And I can't think of anything much more self-destructive than binge drinking. It's right up there with opioids.

btreecat 3y ago
I'd be cautious using language that groups so many types of chemical inputs under a single umbrella despite the gulf between them.
CameronNemo 3y ago
How is cannabis "clearly harmful to the human body"? Any amount?
- throwaway5d097 3y ago
  I guess dry mouth increases incidence of periodontal disease. Some people get cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, but that's somewhat rare. With long term, increasing use, I personally experienced insomnia, anxiety, and lack of appetite. Only with 1g of dabs a week. YMMV. I've quit weed and alcohol, but I consider weed usually a lesser evil. Alcohol really fucked my depression up.
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- beezlewax 3y ago
  Smoking anything is bad for your lungs. Carcinogenic most likely.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    Not all cannabis is consumed via smoking. /pedant who finds it funny to comment on this because I don't even consume cannabis what with being allergic to it.
  - CameronNemo 3y ago
    Let's assume the user isn't smoking or gaping it, but eating it instead.
delta_p_delta_x 3y ago
Yeah, I don't understand why the grandparent commenter is so... happy about narcotics. Being in a permanent state of drug-induced euphoria isn't a good thing. Forget productivity—narcotics suppress every other natural emotion and memory, and people just become husks of themselves, always seeking that next high, that next injection. Alcoholism causes plenty of injury to others—drink-driving for one. It almost sounds like the grandparent is going to welcome The Matrix. Are things so bad that they would rather take the blue pill and forget the real world altogether?
- FreshStart 3y ago
  The host is dead but the substance continues to write drug positivity diatribe. Just another narco zombie doing whatever will scan for the reward button push to continur. Name one negative thing about a drug should be a pre requisite to any adult discussion. Hell, I could do that about cofee, drug of my choice. It's most likely loaded with cancer causing chemicals due to the roasting process. There, enlightenment first, needs and feels second.
  - broscillator 3y ago
    Thank you, only on hackernews could one find levels of pedantry surpassing reddit, where someone will be so brain washed by the vestiges of the war on drugs propaganda that they'll try to demonize coffee consumption and call it enlightenment.
- devwastaken 3y ago
  "narcotics" is not a singular item. You do not inject a weed. You are describing hard drugs. Cocaine, heroin, opioids, methemphetamines, and I like to include alcohol over an excess amount. Psychedelics and green are not in the category of hard drugs. There is little to physical dependency. Nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, and sugar have much worse addicting properties and worse outcomes. narcotics do not generally all create a "euphoria". Thc especially does not do this. It allows you to experience things in different ways, makes new connections. Some people use this to enjoy things more, same as humans have done since someone figured out the plant that feels funny when you eat it can also be smoked. Psychedelics used in therapy bring out more natural emotion. That's why they're used.
devwastaken 3y ago
Without being an expert that can elaborate on those points your comment is only a generic statement you likely read from somewhere else and are now telling everyone else that rhetoric. The idea of "drugs are bad" requires one to not have knowledge of how medicine works or why it's created because "drugs" are no different from all the other medical drugs. Have you taken anti-anxiety meds? Perhaps lithium? Those solutions are barbaric when compared with cannabis and some kinds of hallucinogens. Medical interventions must be fully encompassing. Everything is a compromise. Cannabis may be harmful, it is also very low on the list of significant harms, and high on gains for specific use. If you care about saving lives then regulate away sugar.
- vonwoodson 3y ago
  Except, please don't create any new prohibitions. Turns out it's really difficult to re-legalize anything.
tycho-newman 3y ago
If you don't want to use drugs, then don't use them. Leave the rest of us alone.
iancmceachern 3y ago
> "Hallucinogens can cause lasting psychological changes" So can art, movies, and relationships. This is the reason many show up to the show, not something to be afraid of. It's the feature, not the bug.
broscillator 3y ago
"The dose makes the poison" - Parecelsus

btreecat 3y ago

I'd be cautious using language that groups so many types of chemical inputs under a single umbrella despite the gulf between them.

CameronNemo 3y ago

How is cannabis "clearly harmful to the human body"? Any amount?

throwaway5d097 3y ago
I guess dry mouth increases incidence of periodontal disease. Some people get cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, but that's somewhat rare. With long term, increasing use, I personally experienced insomnia, anxiety, and lack of appetite. Only with 1g of dabs a week. YMMV. I've quit weed and alcohol, but I consider weed usually a lesser evil. Alcohol really fucked my depression up.
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beezlewax 3y ago
Smoking anything is bad for your lungs. Carcinogenic most likely.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  Not all cannabis is consumed via smoking. /pedant who finds it funny to comment on this because I don't even consume cannabis what with being allergic to it.
- CameronNemo 3y ago
  Let's assume the user isn't smoking or gaping it, but eating it instead.

delta_p_delta_x 3y ago

Yeah, I don't understand why the grandparent commenter is so... happy about narcotics. Being in a permanent state of drug-induced euphoria isn't a good thing. Forget productivity—narcotics suppress every other natural emotion and memory, and people just become husks of themselves, always seeking that next high, that next injection. Alcoholism causes plenty of injury to others—drink-driving for one. It almost sounds like the grandparent is going to welcome The Matrix. Are things so bad that they would rather take the blue pill and forget the real world altogether?

FreshStart 3y ago
The host is dead but the substance continues to write drug positivity diatribe. Just another narco zombie doing whatever will scan for the reward button push to continur. Name one negative thing about a drug should be a pre requisite to any adult discussion. Hell, I could do that about cofee, drug of my choice. It's most likely loaded with cancer causing chemicals due to the roasting process. There, enlightenment first, needs and feels second.
- broscillator 3y ago
  Thank you, only on hackernews could one find levels of pedantry surpassing reddit, where someone will be so brain washed by the vestiges of the war on drugs propaganda that they'll try to demonize coffee consumption and call it enlightenment.
devwastaken 3y ago
"narcotics" is not a singular item. You do not inject a weed. You are describing hard drugs. Cocaine, heroin, opioids, methemphetamines, and I like to include alcohol over an excess amount. Psychedelics and green are not in the category of hard drugs. There is little to physical dependency. Nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, and sugar have much worse addicting properties and worse outcomes. narcotics do not generally all create a "euphoria". Thc especially does not do this. It allows you to experience things in different ways, makes new connections. Some people use this to enjoy things more, same as humans have done since someone figured out the plant that feels funny when you eat it can also be smoked. Psychedelics used in therapy bring out more natural emotion. That's why they're used.

devwastaken 3y ago

Without being an expert that can elaborate on those points your comment is only a generic statement you likely read from somewhere else and are now telling everyone else that rhetoric. The idea of "drugs are bad" requires one to not have knowledge of how medicine works or why it's created because "drugs" are no different from all the other medical drugs. Have you taken anti-anxiety meds? Perhaps lithium? Those solutions are barbaric when compared with cannabis and some kinds of hallucinogens. Medical interventions must be fully encompassing. Everything is a compromise. Cannabis may be harmful, it is also very low on the list of significant harms, and high on gains for specific use. If you care about saving lives then regulate away sugar.

vonwoodson 3y ago
Except, please don't create any new prohibitions. Turns out it's really difficult to re-legalize anything.

tycho-newman 3y ago

If you don't want to use drugs, then don't use them. Leave the rest of us alone.

iancmceachern 3y ago

> "Hallucinogens can cause lasting psychological changes" So can art, movies, and relationships. This is the reason many show up to the show, not something to be afraid of. It's the feature, not the bug.

broscillator 3y ago

"The dose makes the poison" - Parecelsus