> My argument was simply that it's not enough on its own There is not a magic bullet at this point ... we have to do many things to correct the overshoot. > r

> My argument was simply that it's not enough on its own There is not a magic bullet at this point ... we have to do many things to correct the overshoot. > reforestation can help, but that's not synonymous with stopping animal ag, although of course there is overlap Animal agriculture occupies as much space as all our forests do. The overlap and deforestation that have occurred over millennia are highly significant. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use https://ourworldindata.org/land-use > doing so at the necessary scales would be incredibly disruptive to world cultures and economies There are many reasons why we need that. Without abundant biodiversity we might see collapse of animal populations, and we might lose remaining pollinators, for example. We won't have any economy without those services we take for granted from the nature. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26231772/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26231772/ If you're ethical vegan, you'll know that culture is just stories we tell ourselves, and those stories are/were very often wrong (like slavery, for example). I don't have to tell you that with animal ag. we're taking something from those animals that isn't ours to take. I'll suppose from now on that you're a vegan and I don't have to explain this to you anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7JE8j5Ncmw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7JE8j5Ncmw > is not going to go vegan or vegetarian It's something we have to do, no matter what anyone thinks. We don't have enough space to feed everyone a meat and dairy diet in the quantities that Westerners consume. We could attempt to do so, but that would result in the total collapse of ecosystems and our own demise. https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/sustainability-indicators/us-environmental-footprint-factsheet https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/sustainability... One study estimates it would take just over 5 Earths to support the human population if everyone’s consumption patterns were similar to the average American. https://www.overshootday.org/how-many-earths-or-countries-do-we-need/ https://www.overshootday.org/how-many-earths-or-countries-do... > and we're not going to replant enough forests, on a timescale to matter We don't have to replant them. It would be enough to allow those pastures to rewild or reforest themselves. Here's an example of how the land can look when kept free from animal agriculture for 30 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VZSJKbzyMc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VZSJKbzyMc > The climate is getting worse despite rising awareness of dietary impacts ... it's just not making a noticeable difference But it would ... at scale. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/917471 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/917471 Feeding 10 billion people by 2050 within planetary limits may be achievable https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/21/14449 https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/21/14449 How Compatible Are Western European Dietary Patterns to Climate Targets? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03565-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03565-5 What humanity should eat to stay healthy and save the planet > We need more drastic actions What would those be?