> Cows absolutely have a place in the grasslands cycle and saying they don't is simply brushing away decades of conservation grazing research If cows are requi

> Cows absolutely have a place in the grasslands cycle and saying they don't is simply brushing away decades of conservation grazing research If cows are required for a conservation of some ecosystems (and I doubt it, sources?), let's have those cows. But those are not the reasons for keeping the remaining 99.99%. > You seem to be under the impression that every grassland is just a forest that humans have stripped bare No, I'm not. > I don't subscribe to the notion that we are going to solve the climate crisis by paving over every square inch of natural habitat with soy fields I don't either, but we're doing exactly that right now ... for the cattle. 76% of soy is grown for animal feed. https://ourworldindata.org/soy https://ourworldindata.org/soy We would need just 25% of land to feed everyone on plant based diets. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares And we have to switch to those diets ... because when those developing countries develop, they'll want to eat what we do. If everyone were to adopt the western diet, we would need 5+ earths, and we don't have those. We currently import a lot of that meat / feed from other countries, but that's unsustainable. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/917471 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/917471 Feeding 10 billion people by 2050 within planetary limits may be achievable A global shift towards healthy and more plant-based diets, halving food loss and waste, and improving farming practices and technologies are required to feed 10 billion people sustainably by 2050, a new study finds > It's not a solution if you can't convince anyone of it It'd be enough to remove subsidies for polluting sectors. Animal ag would be deeply unprofitable without those, and higher prices would make those products unattainable to most. > I don't think you're going to be convinced of any moderation on your position No, I'm not. Animal agriculture is not necessary in this day and age. It's extremely destructive and is an obstacle to the mitigation of climate change and other aspects of overshoot, such as reforestation and dwindling biodiversity. > so I'm not sure there's much more benefit to discussing As you wish.