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Has this policy ever saved a life or stopped a terrorist

olliej 3y ago
Having the information, and even being explicitly told by friends and family in advance has not stopped attacks. Hell, in Uvalde we saw that law enforcement won't even do anything during an attack that is killing kids.
- Brybry 3y ago
  I think there are a lot of issues with law enforcement in the US but using Uvalde to generalize to all police is a bit unfair. There are plenty of counter examples where police responded rapidly. For example the Nashville school shooting[1] or Allen, Texas mall shooting[2] (there's footage where an officer chatting with a mom and her kids immediately ran towards the shots). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Allen,_Texas_mall_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Allen,_Texas_mall_shootin...
  - tacocataco 3y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb... Cops exist to protect capital, not the working class. SocialistRA.org
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refurb 3y ago
I’m not defending searches, but it’s certainly stopped people entering the US to work illegally.
- john_the_writer 3y ago
  How? Keep your resume on google docs (something that's perfectly reasonable), and you can walk into any copy store and poof you have a hard copy. I've kept my resume on google for over 15 years. Same with tax papers and references too. My work product docs are stored in the cloud, and when I'm logged out of said cloud, I have no access. I can buy a new mac, and have a working system in under an hour.
  - refurb 3y ago
    People get busted all the time. They get questioned about their "vacation" in the US and don't have great answers. The CBP asks to see their phone, and in less than a minute asks "Why did you send this text that you'll be starting a new job on Monday?"
  - slim 3y ago
    they will ask you to give your google password, you will have to comply
dvhh 3y ago
Unfortunately people would never read in the news that a potential or active terrorist courier was deterred from transferring sensitive information to local cell by this policy. Joke aside, efficiency of this policy would be very hard to prove, that would be akin to attempting to prove efficiency of a fire department, or teaching curriculum. Also don't get me wrong, I would really hate to be at the receiving end of this policy that has "abuse of power" written all over it. And like to know where would the search impede onto the privacy to the individual, and protect our dignity as human.

Having the information, and even being explicitly told by friends and family in advance has not stopped attacks. Hell, in Uvalde we saw that law enforcement won't even do anything during an attack that is killing kids.

Brybry 3y ago
I think there are a lot of issues with law enforcement in the US but using Uvalde to generalize to all police is a bit unfair. There are plenty of counter examples where police responded rapidly. For example the Nashville school shooting[1] or Allen, Texas mall shooting[2] (there's footage where an officer chatting with a mom and her kids immediately ran towards the shots). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Allen,_Texas_mall_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Allen,_Texas_mall_shootin...
- tacocataco 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb... Cops exist to protect capital, not the working class. SocialistRA.org

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refurb 3y ago

I’m not defending searches, but it’s certainly stopped people entering the US to work illegally.

john_the_writer 3y ago
How? Keep your resume on google docs (something that's perfectly reasonable), and you can walk into any copy store and poof you have a hard copy. I've kept my resume on google for over 15 years. Same with tax papers and references too. My work product docs are stored in the cloud, and when I'm logged out of said cloud, I have no access. I can buy a new mac, and have a working system in under an hour.
- refurb 3y ago
  People get busted all the time. They get questioned about their "vacation" in the US and don't have great answers. The CBP asks to see their phone, and in less than a minute asks "Why did you send this text that you'll be starting a new job on Monday?"
- slim 3y ago
  they will ask you to give your google password, you will have to comply

dvhh 3y ago

Unfortunately people would never read in the news that a potential or active terrorist courier was deterred from transferring sensitive information to local cell by this policy. Joke aside, efficiency of this policy would be very hard to prove, that would be akin to attempting to prove efficiency of a fire department, or teaching curriculum. Also don't get me wrong, I would really hate to be at the receiving end of this policy that has "abuse of power" written all over it. And like to know where would the search impede onto the privacy to the individual, and protect our dignity as human.