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Verifying your identity on Twitter will require taking a selfie
- barefootjoey 3y agoX is the new digital country club. You buy clout by buying a badge. Bad people can buy badges. Bad people can be legitimized by having a blue ribbon. Cows have blue ribbons.
- 8note 3y agoAre these hard to come by? I bet you could pay less than $10 per id+selfie combo Nowadays, you could autogenerated both, and it's way more expensive to check the I'd than to generate one
- toomuchtodo 3y agoStripe Identity does it for $1.50/proofing request. Not sure what ID.me charges (what Login.gov is pushing out across the federal agency fleet). If you fake it, of course the recourse is the legal system for identity fraud.
- chrononaut 3y ago> [T]he recourse is the legal system for identity fraud. Is it though? Are there sets of federal or state laws [in the United States] that say you must never misrepresent your identity to a private party (X) if they ask for it? Wouldn't their recourse just be their ToS? What if a retail store clerk asked you when buying toothpaste? I suppose the law would probably be around the fake identities themselves? (e.g. creating a fake driver's license) But that would still be up to the state to prosecute, right? I presume there are of course laws about misrepresenting your identity to the government, but now I am curious to what extent that's the case for private parties. (I don't know much about the law in this area)
- Clent 3y agoThe mere possession of a fake ID is illegal. Even borrowing an ID is illegal.
- chrononaut 3y agoThat's true. I suspect if you provide a completely fabricated identity to X they could turn around and report that to the respective state or federal authority who could prosecute you for possessing it with evidence being the act of using it by uploading to that verification service.
- nickthegreek 3y agoIf I’m American and I use a fake I D from another country, is that illegal?
- Clent 3y agoI'm not a lawyer. It it worth a night in jail, a couple thousand dollars in legal fees and being felon to find out?
- toomuchtodo 3y agoI’m head of security at a fintech and working with our fraud team and general counsel to mitigate identity fraud is a component of my work. Statute around this is somewhat robust and effective as long as you put the effort in to pursue.
- chrononaut 3y agoIn interest to your circumstance, mitigating identity fraud in the sense of situations where people have stolen another person's identity, or people who create completely fake identities, where both of them then committing some other act like theft? I am curious how it would play out for X, if someone created a new identity and simply attempted to subscribe to their service in that sense.
- candiodari 3y ago1) do they actually check against government databases 2) it isn't even illegal to fake your identity towards a company, is it? I mean only if you do it to commit fraud, not pay, or get alcohol under the legal age or something like that.
- NikkiA 3y agoI mean, I lack a government ID, and it'd be nearly impossible for me to get one, so yeah.
- pseingatl 3y agoVenmo currently wants the same. KYC.
- jasonfarnon 3y agoWell lots of companies want it, as this article shows, so maybe KYC is just an excuse they're using. Did KYC laws suddenly get stricter?
- account-5 3y agoNope.
- currency 3y agoElon's doing so many things that will gut Twitter/X. When he gives up trying, what lessons will he learn? This is my breaking point. I will not give up anonymity on this platform.
- mgiannopoulos 3y agoIt’s not going to be a requirement
- jonas21 3y agoYou don't have to. It's only if you want the blue checkmark.
- XorNot 3y agoTwitter/X needs the money from checkmarks more then anyone needs checkmarks.
- polynomial 3y agoWhat is the term for when the later party doesn't realize this? (While the former presumably does.)
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- paganel 3y ago> Elon's doing so many things that will gut Twitter/X. They've just been on the front-page of all the Western media today, from the FT, to BBC to the NYTimes, they're doing quite all-right. Meanwhile I realized today that I have genuinely forgotten the name of the Twitter clone put forward by Zuckerberg, C...something. Ah, no, I've just googled it now, it's Threads. Yeah, that project is dead in the water.
- LightBug1 3y agoOver my dead body.
- Racing0461 3y agoLooks like its for "verified" users only. Is it more acceptable in this case?
- Balgair 3y agoProblem's that Elon ain't trustworthy. Sure, verified users today, but next week? I mean, the guy lies like ducks quack. How long has the cyber truck been a year away from purchase now? His reputation is garbage.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> Problem’s that Elon ain’t trustworthy. Sure, verified users today, but next week? It doesn’t really matter, because Musk isn’t even trying to hide that he is actively trying to gradually make X practically unusable if you aren’t a paying (“verified”) user.
- LightBug1 3y agoNot really. I commented in the general sense. I no longer use twitter, but will hold the same stance for any other platform.
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- georgeg23 3y agoThe funny thing is there are now plenty of selfie generators based on a single image that could operate off of a fake or stolen ID
- itslennysfault 3y agoThis is literally why I left facebook almost 10 years ago. They locked me out and required I send them a photo of my ID. I said, "Y'all ain't the cops... imma not do that" ...but first I drew them an ID in crayon which they rejected, then one in acrylics, one in color pencil, one in pastels, etc, etc... My goal was to make one for each of the 50 states, but I only did like 5 before I got bored of sending them and having them rejected as not valid IDs. Anyways, I'm not ever sending a social media company government issued IDs. Not gonna happen.
- unstatusthequo 3y agoI feel like with AI tools now you could automate this and just enjoy the responses
- polynomial 3y agoI would attend this art show and most likely buy one of the works if they were for sale. Only 45 more to go, send me the invite!
- Clent 3y agoAgreed. The only time I've submitted government ID online was for banking sites where it's only online sign up. I am OK with this because I understand this is a requirement set by the same government issuing the IDs with rules around how it can be used. Social media sites have no such requirement. They have no such rules around the collection of this information. They can do whatever they want with it once collected. Privacy policies aren't enough. They can shift on a whim.
- theshrike79 3y agoCCPA and GDPR are going to have a field day with this crap
- robotnikman 3y agoSeems like they don't care unfortunately seeing how Facebook has been doing the same thing for a decade now. It happened to my dad's account and they just went and made a new account instead of dealing with the verification
- gz5 3y agolinkedin also just made this an option (and are soft pushing it). payment apps likely started the trend - stripe, venmo - but that was driven (afaik) by kyc. maybe x/twitter, linkedin etc. plan to add financial transactions and will need to be kyc compliant - so this is just a first step? or is there a new 'driver' for this model to cause companies like these to prioritize this 'feature'? is there really that much destructive fraud or impersonation today?
- seeknotfind 3y agoMan, I've never had a Twitter for me, but I've had many joke accounts. Such fun. Huzzah! I hope someone archived this stuff. I never figured out how to pull all of Twitter myself.
- Havoc 3y agoCan I just drink a verification can instead?
- EastSmith 3y agoIf it is going to be an "everything app", that also includes banking thus the KYC. I presume this is related to financial services, banking, etc.
- joker_minmax 3y agoI thought all you had to do was give him that sweet cash?
- Dalewyn 3y agoIf the entire point of verification is verifying one's identity, I do not see why requiring a photograph and government identification is a problem. That's the only reasonable way of proving someone's identity. The question of whether the use of "Israeli software" (whatever it is specifically; too broad to make any useful comment) is appropriate is up for debate, but the fundamental act of verifying identity based off government identification is reasonable. Besides, if you don't like it you don't have to get verified nor use the service for that matter.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> I do not see why requiring a photograph and government identification is a problem. It’s a problem for services which have little need for that kind of (intermediate level) verification, because it increases the threat surface for identity theft that can be used againt the kind of services that actually do need it. It’s also, on the other hand, a problem for services which need actually need strong identity verification, because while government IDs do generally have security features, they are generally not secure for use via a photograph.
- janalsncm 3y agoSidestepping the question of whether Twitter rises to the importance of needing verification, I believe that identity verification is a huge missed opportunity for banks. There’s no reason why US users should be sending personal info to an Israeli company for anything, especially this. A bank has traditionally been the place where we keep our most valuable physical assets. They are secured and insured. Security is part of the service they’re providing. Moving to the digital world, banks could also have been a natural place to store digital assets such as identity info, credit info, and email addresses/phone numbers. Then, instead of every random website asking for this info and storing it for an indeterminate amount of time, the bank would proxy it to them. Being a “data bank” would be a highly regulated privilege, with license to store this info. Any non-licensed entity would be prohibited from storing things like SSNs. This reduces the attack surface to only the most important entities. As critical infrastructure, these data banks would also receive periodic stress tests, just as physical banks do today.
- hakfoo 3y agoI always found the whole ID situation in the US comical. Using the driver's license as a default document seems like it was an accidental thing. You then get the Department of Motor Vehicles involved in tasks outside their scope (i. e. the parallel non-license ID document), and it guarantees a lack of standardization and then trying to hack it back into place (see: Real ID). We should have had a meaningful federal ID probably from the 1960s if not earlier-- once it became evident we needed some uniform way to identify people. Whatever department ended up owning it would be the obvious place to provide an API collection, which would probably end up looking a bit like oAuth with a variety of different grants (age, address, citizenship, other qualifications) that would be very evident through the login prompt. But that would freak the hell out of the Mark of the Beast people.
- tamimio 3y agoTime someone to make a “verifyAI” startup that will generate photo, ID, name, and basically all the data needed, being passive about these blatant privacy violations won’t get us anywhere, time to feed it the wrong data (inspired by that Firefox addon that clicks ads for you), P.S. 20% equity share for the startup idea :)
- user6723 3y agoThey'll totally delete the data within 30 days, pinky promise.
- dang 3y agoUrl changed from https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-755505 https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-755505, which points to this. Submitters: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 3y agoRelated: Verifying Your Identity on X Will Require Taking a Selfie and a Gov. issued ID - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37200989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37200989 - Aug 2023 (7 comments)
- Tommstein 3y agoValve wanted me to send them a copy of my ID (amongst other things) in order to buy a Steam Deck. What they actually got was me closing my Steam account almost as soon as I opened it. Their "customer support" whose main training seems to revolve around how to be a smartass to their customers didn't exactly help, not that they were getting a copy of my ID regardless.