Right. But again, you don’t need iron tools to survive. It just makes thing much easier. You can certainly live primitively in nature without the scraps of civ

Right. But again, you don’t need iron tools to survive. It just makes thing much easier. You can certainly live primitively in nature without the scraps of civilization. Again, it isn’t fun and it will be much harder. Remember, total societal collapse is going to result in most, and perhaps the mass majority of humans, dying off. If not from the collapse, then from the realities of shifting into primitive living unprepared (including but not limited to: finding enough calories, disease, famine, etc). If you have kids, like me, you and your family will probably be dead. I figure I will be. But my threat models are more concerned with pandemics, natural disasters, and loss of power/water/gas/law, so I focus on those. And yeah, all of those threats have occurred at this point (I am in a rural area) :-/