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fascinating tactic. i wonder if there are any countermeasures? - surely this does not work in all cases, only those where protestors are still convinced of th

fascinating tactic. i wonder if there are any countermeasures? - surely this does not work in all cases, only those where protestors are still convinced of the lawfulness of a peaceful protest, exploited by the threat actors (police) - what is the maximum size of a "kettle?" can this be exploited by creating an oversized kettle such that it would "burst?" - could kettling trigger a violent fight-or-flight response depending on demographic? many wild animals will exhibit ferocity when similar tactics are imposed. - can you kettle a peaceful --yet fully armed-- protest? what are the benefits? risks? - what is the economic impact to the city? minneapolis and other US locales have had to pay millions to settle unlawful detainment lawsuits during such events. is there a "break-even" point where kettles will be avoided for fear of inciting overwhelming expenditures? does the class/race makeup matter?

pc86 3y ago
Surely you don't actually mean to compare protestors or certain "demographics" to wild animals, right?
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justsomehnguy 3y ago
> can you kettle a peaceful --yet fully armed-- protest In the last 20 years who were the most eager to open fire in any situation?
throw0101b 3y ago
> - can you kettle a peaceful --yet fully armed-- protest? what are the benefits? risks? If you wish people to accept or even join your movement, violence seems to be counter-productive: > For more than a century, from 1900 to 2006, campaigns of nonviolent resistance were more than twice as effective as their violent counterparts in achieving their stated goals. By attracting impressive support from citizens, whose activism takes the form of protests, boycotts, civil disobedience, and other forms of nonviolent noncooperation, these efforts help separate regimes from their main sources of power and produce remarkable results, even in Iran, Burma, the Philippines, and the Palestinian Territories. * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resistance-works https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis...
sangnoir 3y ago
> fascinating tactic. i wonder if there are any countermeasures? I'm guessing history has some anti-phalanx tactics that may be useful. My naive assumption is that well-organized protestors could choose one spot to focus on and try to break through using sheer numbers and momentum with some uh, ablation at the edges and tip of the spear. This comes with a very high risk of trampling. Veteran Black Bloc practitioners will likely have less naive countermeasures
bsder 3y ago
Mostly speed. Form and disperse and reform. The police can be outnumbered and outmaneuvered. The Hong Kong protesters are the ones who developed the best tactics.
salawat 3y ago
Point of order: I have never heard of a 2nd Amendment protest (where most protesters show up armed) being kettled. Make of that what you will.
chefandy 3y ago
There's a zero— and I mean absolutely zero— percent chance the government would not respond to a large armed protest with a very heavily armed national guard, with lawyers starting on the paperwork to handle millions of dollars in collateral damage from artillery before the boots even touched the ground.

pc86 3y ago

Surely you don't actually mean to compare protestors or certain "demographics" to wild animals, right?

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justsomehnguy 3y ago

> can you kettle a peaceful --yet fully armed-- protest In the last 20 years who were the most eager to open fire in any situation?

throw0101b 3y ago

> - can you kettle a peaceful --yet fully armed-- protest? what are the benefits? risks? If you wish people to accept or even join your movement, violence seems to be counter-productive: > For more than a century, from 1900 to 2006, campaigns of nonviolent resistance were more than twice as effective as their violent counterparts in achieving their stated goals. By attracting impressive support from citizens, whose activism takes the form of protests, boycotts, civil disobedience, and other forms of nonviolent noncooperation, these efforts help separate regimes from their main sources of power and produce remarkable results, even in Iran, Burma, the Philippines, and the Palestinian Territories. * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resistance-works https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis...

sangnoir 3y ago

> fascinating tactic. i wonder if there are any countermeasures? I'm guessing history has some anti-phalanx tactics that may be useful. My naive assumption is that well-organized protestors could choose one spot to focus on and try to break through using sheer numbers and momentum with some uh, ablation at the edges and tip of the spear. This comes with a very high risk of trampling. Veteran Black Bloc practitioners will likely have less naive countermeasures

bsder 3y ago

Mostly speed. Form and disperse and reform. The police can be outnumbered and outmaneuvered. The Hong Kong protesters are the ones who developed the best tactics.

salawat 3y ago

Point of order: I have never heard of a 2nd Amendment protest (where most protesters show up armed) being kettled. Make of that what you will.

chefandy 3y ago

There's a zero— and I mean absolutely zero— percent chance the government would not respond to a large armed protest with a very heavily armed national guard, with lawyers starting on the paperwork to handle millions of dollars in collateral damage from artillery before the boots even touched the ground.