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[Some of] You are not going to Make It. I live near the Amish, they are going to make it. Yes life will be harder for them, but they are prepared for a breakdo

[Some of] You are not going to Make It. I live near the Amish, they are going to make it. Yes life will be harder for them, but they are prepared for a breakdown in civilization. As others have pointed out, it may be more difficult for a single individual to make it, but a large family or small community has a decent shot of survival.

carlmr 3y ago
Especially a community that is already self-reliant to a large extent. Preppers are doing the IT equivalent of making untested backups. The backups may work, but since you didn't test it they might not work. Amish are testing their resilience daily.
RationPhantoms 3y ago
I thought the Amish were strictly non-violent? Isn't it one of the Christian tenets of "turn the other cheek"? Their predisposition for non-violence may change when they encounter roving gangs of wasteland bandits (from New Jersey) venturing about but that's not guaranteed.
- trumbitta2 3y ago
  Trinità and Bambino will fix that.
- h2odragon 3y ago
  > I thought the Amish were strictly non-violent? They aim for it, certainly. They're quite likely to have good relations with their neighbors who are less restrained or forgiving, and who value the company of the Amish and other neighbors.
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  Non-violent in context is just not violent by nature. Exercising violence in the course of self defense does not make one violent by nature. Self preservation is innate in both violent and non-violent people.
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augusto-moura 3y ago
Wouldn't the Amish community be considered the "Amish grid". I think the point of the article is trying to make is that you still need some type of community and a chain of production of some sort, someone is the carpenter, another is the smith, etc.
jmye 3y ago
“This community of farmers will definitely be fine when their farms fail, because they don’t rely on technology. Please ignore their tools.” Like, there are a whole lot of reasons the article listed for why this won’t work in the future. You can’t just negate them because it works now. It’s not just a breakdown in civilization - it’s a dramatically changed and broken planet in this scenario. The Amish will starve just as fast as anyone else when crops fail or it doesn’t rain for years on end.
- jpadkins 3y ago
  They use some tools from advanced tech, but already have their own blacksmiths and carpenters who make tools for their farmers. For the long run, they will have to develop some type of mining or smelting operation from scrap metal they find (which will probably be abundant for a few decades if society really does collapse)
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Are the Amish ready and willing to fend off determined invaders? How fast can they smelt bullets?
    - throwawayx134ax 3y ago
      Surprisingly quickly. A shot tower will make hundreds/thousands at a time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_tower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_tower
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Okay, so every Amish community is outfitted with a defensible shot tower, and these are pre-built to be used after SHTF and society collapses around them? Where are they importing the lead?
francisofascii 3y ago
I fear the Amish would quickly get invaded when food gets tight. The Sentinel island people might have a better shot, since they are out on an island. Or the groups deep in the Amazon jungle.

carlmr 3y ago

Especially a community that is already self-reliant to a large extent. Preppers are doing the IT equivalent of making untested backups. The backups may work, but since you didn't test it they might not work. Amish are testing their resilience daily.

RationPhantoms 3y ago

I thought the Amish were strictly non-violent? Isn't it one of the Christian tenets of "turn the other cheek"? Their predisposition for non-violence may change when they encounter roving gangs of wasteland bandits (from New Jersey) venturing about but that's not guaranteed.

trumbitta2 3y ago
Trinità and Bambino will fix that.
h2odragon 3y ago
> I thought the Amish were strictly non-violent? They aim for it, certainly. They're quite likely to have good relations with their neighbors who are less restrained or forgiving, and who value the company of the Amish and other neighbors.
stronglikedan 3y ago
Non-violent in context is just not violent by nature. Exercising violence in the course of self defense does not make one violent by nature. Self preservation is innate in both violent and non-violent people.

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augusto-moura 3y ago

Wouldn't the Amish community be considered the "Amish grid". I think the point of the article is trying to make is that you still need some type of community and a chain of production of some sort, someone is the carpenter, another is the smith, etc.

jmye 3y ago

“This community of farmers will definitely be fine when their farms fail, because they don’t rely on technology. Please ignore their tools.” Like, there are a whole lot of reasons the article listed for why this won’t work in the future. You can’t just negate them because it works now. It’s not just a breakdown in civilization - it’s a dramatically changed and broken planet in this scenario. The Amish will starve just as fast as anyone else when crops fail or it doesn’t rain for years on end.

jpadkins 3y ago
They use some tools from advanced tech, but already have their own blacksmiths and carpenters who make tools for their farmers. For the long run, they will have to develop some type of mining or smelting operation from scrap metal they find (which will probably be abundant for a few decades if society really does collapse)
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Are the Amish ready and willing to fend off determined invaders? How fast can they smelt bullets?
  - throwawayx134ax 3y ago
    Surprisingly quickly. A shot tower will make hundreds/thousands at a time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_tower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_tower
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Okay, so every Amish community is outfitted with a defensible shot tower, and these are pre-built to be used after SHTF and society collapses around them? Where are they importing the lead?

francisofascii 3y ago

I fear the Amish would quickly get invaded when food gets tight. The Sentinel island people might have a better shot, since they are out on an island. Or the groups deep in the Amazon jungle.