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> And again, where did you got your install media for Windows? Directly from https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/sof

> And again, where did you got your install media for Windows? Directly from https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 ? Somewhere else? Somewhere else: https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/software-download/windows11 https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/software-download/windows11 This was Windows 11, downloaded in June 2023 or something like that. I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall. > your media is older than the drivers No it's not, see below. > Because Intel does not give a fuck. Fair enough. Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update? This has worked ever since I bought the PC three years ago. So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older.

justsomehnguy 3y ago
(see the addendum) > Somewhere else Heh. > Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update Because it asks WU about all PCI\VEN&DEV&SUBSYS&REV found in the system and WU responds with the specific drivers it has for these devices. Remember, there is no 'generic' drivers in Windows, like in Linux. > So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". Well, yes. Now the question why these aren't included in the OS. Don't have Win11 at hand (and probably wouldn't at least for some time, lol). Back in the day MS gathered info about the most common devices at the market, to include them in the OS distro. So with a wireless chipset made in '19 the question is who to blame, vendor or OS mfg. Considering how hostile Intel to the customers I wouldn't be surprised it's them. BTW you can open Device Manager pretend to replace the driver, select 'I would select manually' and see all the drivers OS has. On your running system you would see those you installed too, but on a clean system you would see only bundled ones. On my notebook I have a Realtek NIC, so the Intel drivers are the ones what was bundled with Win10 install media (and maaaybe some updates?) and I have there: Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX101 Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX201 160MHz So... can you post the PCI ID of your card? It wouldn't do a shit for you but maybe there is something there. It can be found in Device Manager, open the properties of the NIC, Details tab, Hardware Ids. > I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall Do you just download an .ISO or do you use the 'Installation Assistant'? There are some shenanigans with that tool. > And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older Or something had rotten in Seattle or somehow Windows bundled drivers are more specific ones than the ones from the vendor site. I heard about that but I don't remember ever witnessing this myself. If anything, I needed to that manually, because Intel drivers for 'Intel(R) Wireless-N 7260' are so shitty what the ones bundled with Windows (with Intel copyright from 2011) are way more stable (but not stable enough, sigh) than ANY later revisions from the Intel site. ADD: Okay, for the sake of it: I've got my hands on Win11 and it DOES have some drivers for AX201: https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM So the question about the PCI ID of your card.
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  > Do you just download an .ISO or do you use the 'Installation Assistant'? There are some shenanigans with that tool. I'm pretty sure Linux doesn't have "generic" wifi cards. See all the issues people have getting to work brand-new models. I had already seen the AX201 in a separate machine for some time before buying this laptop, so it wasn't brand-new when I first tried installing Windows. Didn't check the PCI IDs to confirm it was precisely the same, though. I don't have that specific PC on hand to check the IDs right now. For installing, I create the USB drive with the "media creation tool" I download right before from that site. I only use the direct ISO download to install on VMs, since my usual approach of writing it with dd from linux doesn't work for some reason. I've noticed the driver reinstall issue because at one point, there was some kind of issue with my external monitor which worked with the Intel drivers but not with the Windows Update ones, and every so often the display output would break again until I manually reinstalled the ones from the Intel site. The Windows Update drivers have been fine for a few months now. Wi-Fi never had any issue once it got going after the first reboot and Windows update run.
  - vladvasiliu 3y ago
    Got my hands on the PC in question. The full string of the ID is PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_A0F0&SUBSYS_00748086&REV_20 Fun fact: if I look for drivers, in the "recommended drivers" list there are two drivers by Intel and one by Microsoft. https://i.imgur.com/jpghrgd.png https://i.imgur.com/jpghrgd.png

justsomehnguy 3y ago

(see the addendum) > Somewhere else Heh. > Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update Because it asks WU about all PCI\VEN&DEV&SUBSYS&REV found in the system and WU responds with the specific drivers it has for these devices. Remember, there is no 'generic' drivers in Windows, like in Linux. > So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". Well, yes. Now the question why these aren't included in the OS. Don't have Win11 at hand (and probably wouldn't at least for some time, lol). Back in the day MS gathered info about the most common devices at the market, to include them in the OS distro. So with a wireless chipset made in '19 the question is who to blame, vendor or OS mfg. Considering how hostile Intel to the customers I wouldn't be surprised it's them. BTW you can open Device Manager pretend to replace the driver, select 'I would select manually' and see all the drivers OS has. On your running system you would see those you installed too, but on a clean system you would see only bundled ones. On my notebook I have a Realtek NIC, so the Intel drivers are the ones what was bundled with Win10 install media (and maaaybe some updates?) and I have there: Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX101 Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX201 160MHz So... can you post the PCI ID of your card? It wouldn't do a shit for you but maybe there is something there. It can be found in Device Manager, open the properties of the NIC, Details tab, Hardware Ids. > I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall Do you just download an .ISO or do you use the 'Installation Assistant'? There are some shenanigans with that tool. > And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older Or something had rotten in Seattle or somehow Windows bundled drivers are more specific ones than the ones from the vendor site. I heard about that but I don't remember ever witnessing this myself. If anything, I needed to that manually, because Intel drivers for 'Intel(R) Wireless-N 7260' are so shitty what the ones bundled with Windows (with Intel copyright from 2011) are way more stable (but not stable enough, sigh) than ANY later revisions from the Intel site. ADD: Okay, for the sake of it: I've got my hands on Win11 and it DOES have some drivers for AX201: https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM So the question about the PCI ID of your card.

vladvasiliu 3y ago
> Do you just download an .ISO or do you use the 'Installation Assistant'? There are some shenanigans with that tool. I'm pretty sure Linux doesn't have "generic" wifi cards. See all the issues people have getting to work brand-new models. I had already seen the AX201 in a separate machine for some time before buying this laptop, so it wasn't brand-new when I first tried installing Windows. Didn't check the PCI IDs to confirm it was precisely the same, though. I don't have that specific PC on hand to check the IDs right now. For installing, I create the USB drive with the "media creation tool" I download right before from that site. I only use the direct ISO download to install on VMs, since my usual approach of writing it with dd from linux doesn't work for some reason. I've noticed the driver reinstall issue because at one point, there was some kind of issue with my external monitor which worked with the Intel drivers but not with the Windows Update ones, and every so often the display output would break again until I manually reinstalled the ones from the Intel site. The Windows Update drivers have been fine for a few months now. Wi-Fi never had any issue once it got going after the first reboot and Windows update run.
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  Got my hands on the PC in question. The full string of the ID is PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_A0F0&SUBSYS_00748086&REV_20 Fun fact: if I look for drivers, in the "recommended drivers" list there are two drivers by Intel and one by Microsoft. https://i.imgur.com/jpghrgd.png https://i.imgur.com/jpghrgd.png