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> We could encourage Zelensky to abide by 2016 Minsk agreement to allow Donbas to vote on it's own future direction. Democracy good, right? Let them vote, as wa

by _kbh_ 3y ago

> We could encourage Zelensky to abide by 2016 Minsk agreement to allow Donbas to vote on it's own future direction. Democracy good, right? Let them vote, as was agreed. Why don't we encourage Russia to abide by the 1994 agreement where they gave assurances to Ukraine they would never invade and never threaten sovereignty?. I am interested in why everyone is so keen and insistent that Ukraine abide by the 2016 Minsk agreement, but Russia is free to violate any or all agreements they have with Ukraine. I think what Russias flagrant breaking of the multiple treaties and agreements they have with Ukraine has shown us is that Russia is not interested in abiding by international agreements when it doesn't interest them. So my question is then, why would Minsk be any different?, the answer its not, Russia will break it the moment it benefits them, they have in fact already broken the Minsk agreements multiple times. The only thing that will stop Russia is military force, they need to be physically stopped before they will start caring.

landemva 3y ago
Minsk is mainly Russian speakers. NY Times reported Zelensky tried to outlaw their religion. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukr... Merkel indicated the West 2016 Minsk agreement was never going to upheld and was to buy time to arm Ukraine. Now who would trust the West? https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about-minsk-agreements-a-solid-bid-for-a-tribunal/ https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about-...
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  So do you or don't you think that Russia should be obligated to abide by its international agreements such as the Budapest Memorandum that it signed in 1994?. If you don't think they should be obligated to follow there agreements then why should you expect Ukraine to follow any of theres?. > Merkel indicated the West 2016 Minsk agreement was never going to upheld and was to buy time to arm Ukraine. Now who would trust the West? https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about- https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about-... If you're going to make claims like this please use credible sources. "ho1.us"?
  - landemva 3y ago
    Ok, big name websites with same quotes of Merkel saying Minsk agreement was only to buy time. https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-opens-up-on-ukraine-putin-and-her-legacy/a-62052345 https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-opens-up-on-ukraine-puti... https://news.yahoo.com/putin-disappointed-merkels-words-minsk-140859136.html https://news.yahoo.com/putin-disappointed-merkels-words-mins... "... ex-Chancellor Angela Merkel, where she claimed that the Minsk agreements of 2014 enabled Ukraine to prepare for the war with Russia." The 2016 Minsk agreement included Donbas vote on their own self-sovereignty. Zelensky won't allow the vote, and is restricting religious practices there.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > The 2016 Minsk agreement included Donbas vote on their own self-sovereignty. Zelensky won't allow the vote, and is restricting religious practices there. Minsk II failed to implement because the “separatists” (ie Russian soldiers outside uniform) did not obey the ceasefire and neither did some of the Ukrainian battalions. We all know that Minsk II was never gonna last though.
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landemva 3y ago

Minsk is mainly Russian speakers. NY Times reported Zelensky tried to outlaw their religion. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukr... Merkel indicated the West 2016 Minsk agreement was never going to upheld and was to buy time to arm Ukraine. Now who would trust the West? https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about-minsk-agreements-a-solid-bid-for-a-tribunal/ https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about-...

_kbh_ 3y ago
So do you or don't you think that Russia should be obligated to abide by its international agreements such as the Budapest Memorandum that it signed in 1994?. If you don't think they should be obligated to follow there agreements then why should you expect Ukraine to follow any of theres?. > Merkel indicated the West 2016 Minsk agreement was never going to upheld and was to buy time to arm Ukraine. Now who would trust the West? https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about- https://ho1.us/2022/12/ukraine-war-merkels-confession-about-... If you're going to make claims like this please use credible sources. "ho1.us"?
- landemva 3y ago
  Ok, big name websites with same quotes of Merkel saying Minsk agreement was only to buy time. https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-opens-up-on-ukraine-putin-and-her-legacy/a-62052345 https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-opens-up-on-ukraine-puti... https://news.yahoo.com/putin-disappointed-merkels-words-minsk-140859136.html https://news.yahoo.com/putin-disappointed-merkels-words-mins... "... ex-Chancellor Angela Merkel, where she claimed that the Minsk agreements of 2014 enabled Ukraine to prepare for the war with Russia." The 2016 Minsk agreement included Donbas vote on their own self-sovereignty. Zelensky won't allow the vote, and is restricting religious practices there.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > The 2016 Minsk agreement included Donbas vote on their own self-sovereignty. Zelensky won't allow the vote, and is restricting religious practices there. Minsk II failed to implement because the “separatists” (ie Russian soldiers outside uniform) did not obey the ceasefire and neither did some of the Ukrainian battalions. We all know that Minsk II was never gonna last though.
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