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> runs on a nas, so it can coordinate the backups of the different machines Do we really assume that the "typical home/family" is using a NAS ? I think it far
by 8fingerlouie 3y ago
> runs on a nas, so it can coordinate the backups of the different machines
Do we really assume that the "typical home/family" is using a NAS ? I think it far more common that they use "the cloud" like OneDrive, Google Drive, Apple iCloud, etc.
That is not a bad thing (privacy issues aside) as data resilience is much much better in the cloud, than almost any NAS you can setup at home. A paid OneDrive subscription gives you dual datacenter redundance (erasure coding) with unlimited versions for 30 days of all files, copy on write, and much more.
And regarding privacy, that is also not an issue that the "typical" user is concerned about. All the big vendors pretty much swear to never look at your data _unless you share it_, and for the "nerds", things like Cryptomator exists.
In my book, and one i use myself, a modern setup will have the cloud as primary storage, and "all you need" is a local box that can synchronize cloud data locally with versions, or make a versioned backup locally (the sync is useless if upstream gets corrupted). In theory a "real time" sync of data and scheduled BTRFS/ZFS/APFS snapshots every N minutes would be a versioned backup.
On top of that you then add a cloud backup of the synchronized data to a different cloud provider, and you have 3-2-1 backup in place.
This will, for most users, be cheaper than buying and running a NAS, as the average family probably has less than 2TB data, and comes with less risk of data loss due to hardware failure. The biggest threat to your data in the cloud is loss of access, which you can mitigate with the local mirror and the remote backup.
You can get Microsoft Family 365 for around €65/year (Microsoft HUP program and other deals), which includes 6 x 1TB OneDrive storage. Add to that a Backblaze Backup subscription at €65/yeaer and you have both primary cloud storage and cloud backup at €130/year. Where i live, just powering a 4 bay NAS for a year costs around €200.
> Synology active backup for business, which I use now, goes there about 70% of the way. Any suggestions for alternatives?
I personally use Arq for my client backups, but it does not support global deduplication, only per marchine.
For global deduplication, you might want to look at Restic (open source, stable), Duplicacy (commercial license) or Kopia (open source, beta state)
- PeterStuer 3y agoThx for the reply and the porided sugestions. I will check them out. "the average family probably has less than 2TB data" Backups here are 23TB, reduced to 7.5 after dedup. Maybe we're a bit more into tech than the average family, but 2TB does not sound reasonably if you have some retention. We do have the O365 family sub. The Onedrive portion is used sparingly, and I would never count on it for backups. I've always had something NAS like. Had Microsoft's WHS for a while on a spare PC until that was discontinued, now on my second Synology. It's not perfect but saved the day several times. Putting in the usb after a disk replacement and restoring to yesterday's point in time quickly is vital as disk crahes tend to happen at the least convenient moment.
- 8fingerlouie 3y ago> The Onedrive portion is used sparingly, and I would never count on it for backups. Depends how you use it I guess. Mine works as a backup target for Arq backup, and holds encrypted, versioned client backups. > Backups here are 23TB, reduced to 7.5 after dedup. How much of that data is stuff you can easily download again ? While we’re nowhere near professional photographs, we do take around 10k photos every year, and our family photo library stretches back almost two decades, and yet our family photo backup is “only” around 3TB, and 1.3TB compressed and deduplicated (quite a few RAW images there). Yearly growth is below 100GB, I know because I make yearly M-disc archives of the previous years photos, and they fit on a 100GB BD-XL. Besides the photo backup, our documents, school work, music collection (ripped from CDs), purchased ebooks and more is less than 500GB (compressed, deduplicated) I could probably save a couple hundred GB by leaving out music and ebooks, as the music is still on the CDs, and ebooks can (probably) be downloaded again, or they’re outdated enough that it doesn’t matter. The absolute minimum would be our photos, which naturally are irreplaceable. Even documents will be outdated rather fast, and are mostly only kept for nostalgia.