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It's a different segment, and there is more competition with consoles, you can buy a PC... But with phones, you basically need a phone to function in the moder

by mcfedr 3y ago

It's a different segment, and there is more competition with consoles, you can buy a PC... But with phones, you basically need a phone to function in the modern world and with only two locked down choices, it's a problem for society

paulmd 3y ago
> It's a different segment why should we arbitrarily proclaim a console to be a "gaming appliance" rather than a general-purpose computing device, but apple doing the same thing ("iphone is a phone appliance, not a PC") is bad? the reason you think of a console as being an appliance is because their propaganda strategy has worked on you, there's no reason you couldn't build a Steam Deck (ahem, console) at $500-700 and provide similar performance to consoles while allowing an open environment. people are willing to make this cognitive leap for ios but a console is just a gaming box, you know? just buy a PC in addition to your gaming box! (oh, we don't care about e-waste/consumerism anymore now) PS5 is sold at a profit since less than a year after launch, xbox series x isn't sold at much of a loss if it's a real loss at all (might be hollywood accounting to look good for the trial so they can claim they're losing money on hardware). So you can achieve very similar prices/performance on hardware. > But with phones, you basically need a phone to function in the modern world nobody is saying we need to outlaw phones, people are currently functioning with phone-appliances in the modern world just fine! just like they do with xbox. in fact many of the modern real-world uses like banking would really prefer you to be using a locked-down appliance for security. that whole TrustNet concept and all. again just like right-to-repair this always just turns into a mismash of different causes and goals that all get lumped into some broad "right to repair" (ok here's replacement boards at our OEM cost, and we'll ship you OEM repair tooling at a loss or let repair shops purchase it at cost) but actually are a bunch of disjointed but similar causes and goals (rossman really wants component-level repair because that's how he gets paid, so solutions that reduce e-waste but fall short of rossman-getting-paid are unacceptable to him). Other people are generally more into it for the anti-consumerism aspects and just want people to consume less in total even if it's repairable, and are fine for driving up costs/making repairs more attractive by taxing new devices etc. there's really like 3 or 4 different goals being wrapped up into one "right to repair" cause! but "living a life in the modern world" does not require letting facebook sideload an app store so they can bypass app review/permissioning and datamine me. And actually doing so is detrimental to the real-world security of banking and the other important stuff that's run through my phone. Again, reminder they've literally already been busted for doing exactly this, apple revoked their dev credentials because they were paying customers 10 bucks to install the datamine version of facebook with a dev build. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/facebook-and-google-offered-gift-cards-for-root-level-access-to-ios-users-data/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/facebook-and-google-...

by mcfedr 3y ago

paulmd 3y ago

> It's a different segment why should we arbitrarily proclaim a console to be a "gaming appliance" rather than a general-purpose computing device, but apple doing the same thing ("iphone is a phone appliance, not a PC") is bad? the reason you think of a console as being an appliance is because their propaganda strategy has worked on you, there's no reason you couldn't build a Steam Deck (ahem, console) at $500-700 and provide similar performance to consoles while allowing an open environment. people are willing to make this cognitive leap for ios but a console is just a gaming box, you know? just buy a PC in addition to your gaming box! (oh, we don't care about e-waste/consumerism anymore now) PS5 is sold at a profit since less than a year after launch, xbox series x isn't sold at much of a loss if it's a real loss at all (might be hollywood accounting to look good for the trial so they can claim they're losing money on hardware). So you can achieve very similar prices/performance on hardware. > But with phones, you basically need a phone to function in the modern world nobody is saying we need to outlaw phones, people are currently functioning with phone-appliances in the modern world just fine! just like they do with xbox. in fact many of the modern real-world uses like banking would really prefer you to be using a locked-down appliance for security. that whole TrustNet concept and all. again just like right-to-repair this always just turns into a mismash of different causes and goals that all get lumped into some broad "right to repair" (ok here's replacement boards at our OEM cost, and we'll ship you OEM repair tooling at a loss or let repair shops purchase it at cost) but actually are a bunch of disjointed but similar causes and goals (rossman really wants component-level repair because that's how he gets paid, so solutions that reduce e-waste but fall short of rossman-getting-paid are unacceptable to him). Other people are generally more into it for the anti-consumerism aspects and just want people to consume less in total even if it's repairable, and are fine for driving up costs/making repairs more attractive by taxing new devices etc. there's really like 3 or 4 different goals being wrapped up into one "right to repair" cause! but "living a life in the modern world" does not require letting facebook sideload an app store so they can bypass app review/permissioning and datamine me. And actually doing so is detrimental to the real-world security of banking and the other important stuff that's run through my phone. Again, reminder they've literally already been busted for doing exactly this, apple revoked their dev credentials because they were paying customers 10 bucks to install the datamine version of facebook with a dev build. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/facebook-and-google-offered-gift-cards-for-root-level-access-to-ios-users-data/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/facebook-and-google-...