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I genuinely had no idea the video surveillance tech was that good. The detail of the people on the roof in particular was astounding to me. It makes me wonder j

I genuinely had no idea the video surveillance tech was that good. The detail of the people on the roof in particular was astounding to me. It makes me wonder just what tech is like being used in the echelons (ahem) above regular law enforcement?

rasz 3y ago
Russian helicopter on Snake Island https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d32EKhjUCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d32EKhjUCU was recorded from couple kilometers away, same clarity.
- Kim_Bruning 3y ago
  There is something really wrong with that video at the exact moment the helicopter gets hit. If it was just the image that's one thing, but the overlaid UI blurs and zooms as well.
  - justinsaccount 3y ago
    Looks like a cell phone recording of a monitor. It's also slightly askew, you can tell the horizontal lines are not quite horizontal. The bright explosion likely confused the autofocus, or maybe the person holding the camera jumped.
    - Kim_Bruning 3y ago
      That might explain it!
      - d1sxeyes 3y ago
        No, I think you're right to be suspicious of this .If you step forward frame by frame from 18s, (pause, then use '.' and ','), you can see that the loss of focus occurred before the helicopter was hit. By watching the bluer bits of the image, you can see that it seems that the camera was very quickly (almost immediately it seems?) centred on the cliffs to the bottom right, then recentred a few frames later but at an angle (probably rotated around 10 degrees anticlockwise). The next few frames are the actual explosion, where the offset angle seems to remain consistent, and then, interestingly, the HUD is almost perfectly recentered at 0 where it remains consistently Through 19s, again the person recording this from the screen seems to either zoom or move the camera very quickly towards the screen, before immediately resetting. It's clear that this weirdness is being introduced by the person recording the video (not from the drone itself) because the HUD also moves and blurs (you can see what it looks like when the drone camera pans throughout second 23/24. Note the HUD remaining static and clear). Second 26 is also interesting, because you can see static bright spots suddenly seem to begin moving. However, I think this is actually a rotating lens cover on the drone camera which is introducing these artifacts. You can also see that immediately after this, the HUD display is different. A different number (I believe it's 80, based on a frame at 37s) is displayed, and the centre of the HUD is a crosshair rather than a small circle. I believe this new lens is slightly shorter, and is supposed to give a wider view of the explosion that just happened. If you advance slowly through second 37-38, you see the camera 'zoom out' from 80 to 402, and it seems both the drone and the person filming this's cameras needed to recalibrate their exposure settings. It's not quite enough for me to say it's definitely suspicious, but those movements at the 18-19s mark are definitely a bit odd. It could potentially be artifacts of YouTube automatically stabilising the video, but there's definitely something unnatural here.
        tiku 3y ago
        They redact some video's to not give away the type of rocket used etc. Perhaps that is the case here as well? Also the direction of the missile could be information that you don't want to give out for example.
        d1sxeyes 3y ago
        Could be. There are plenty of potential explanations which don't amount to 'this is fake', but I am fairly confident this has been doctored in some way.
        amatecha 3y ago
        The ridiculous zoom/tilt effects are added in post-production for dramatic effect, or whatever. You can tell it very clearly as the zooming/tilting/"WOW!" crap is far higher framerate than the source footage (watch the pieces of debris falling and how "stuttery" their movement looks, to get a sense of the framerate of the original footage). Now the question is: who added the stupid cinematic effects?
        d1sxeyes 3y ago
        To be fair, if we're watching a 25fps iPhone recording of 12fps feed being played through a 60Hz monitor, the "zooming/tilting/"WOW!" crap" would keep the iPhone framerate, so it doesn't necessarily tell us it was done in post, although I agree that some of the frame-to-frame jumps in pan/zoom suggest these are not natural movements and that them being added in post for dramatic effect (or as another commenter suggested, to obscure potentially compromising information) seems to be a very plausible explanation.
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gumballindie 3y ago
I am confused. I dont find the level of detail impressive at all. Image quality looks just a little bit above consumer grade quality.
- tiku 3y ago
  I watched the footage and was expecting facial details / recognition. But none of that.
Havoc 3y ago
I'd imagine this heli was flying pretty low

rasz 3y ago

Russian helicopter on Snake Island https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d32EKhjUCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d32EKhjUCU was recorded from couple kilometers away, same clarity.

Kim_Bruning 3y ago
There is something really wrong with that video at the exact moment the helicopter gets hit. If it was just the image that's one thing, but the overlaid UI blurs and zooms as well.
- justinsaccount 3y ago
  Looks like a cell phone recording of a monitor. It's also slightly askew, you can tell the horizontal lines are not quite horizontal. The bright explosion likely confused the autofocus, or maybe the person holding the camera jumped.
  - Kim_Bruning 3y ago
    That might explain it!
    - d1sxeyes 3y ago
      No, I think you're right to be suspicious of this .If you step forward frame by frame from 18s, (pause, then use '.' and ','), you can see that the loss of focus occurred before the helicopter was hit. By watching the bluer bits of the image, you can see that it seems that the camera was very quickly (almost immediately it seems?) centred on the cliffs to the bottom right, then recentred a few frames later but at an angle (probably rotated around 10 degrees anticlockwise). The next few frames are the actual explosion, where the offset angle seems to remain consistent, and then, interestingly, the HUD is almost perfectly recentered at 0 where it remains consistently Through 19s, again the person recording this from the screen seems to either zoom or move the camera very quickly towards the screen, before immediately resetting. It's clear that this weirdness is being introduced by the person recording the video (not from the drone itself) because the HUD also moves and blurs (you can see what it looks like when the drone camera pans throughout second 23/24. Note the HUD remaining static and clear). Second 26 is also interesting, because you can see static bright spots suddenly seem to begin moving. However, I think this is actually a rotating lens cover on the drone camera which is introducing these artifacts. You can also see that immediately after this, the HUD display is different. A different number (I believe it's 80, based on a frame at 37s) is displayed, and the centre of the HUD is a crosshair rather than a small circle. I believe this new lens is slightly shorter, and is supposed to give a wider view of the explosion that just happened. If you advance slowly through second 37-38, you see the camera 'zoom out' from 80 to 402, and it seems both the drone and the person filming this's cameras needed to recalibrate their exposure settings. It's not quite enough for me to say it's definitely suspicious, but those movements at the 18-19s mark are definitely a bit odd. It could potentially be artifacts of YouTube automatically stabilising the video, but there's definitely something unnatural here.
      - tiku 3y ago
        They redact some video's to not give away the type of rocket used etc. Perhaps that is the case here as well? Also the direction of the missile could be information that you don't want to give out for example.
        d1sxeyes 3y ago
        Could be. There are plenty of potential explanations which don't amount to 'this is fake', but I am fairly confident this has been doctored in some way.
      - amatecha 3y ago
        The ridiculous zoom/tilt effects are added in post-production for dramatic effect, or whatever. You can tell it very clearly as the zooming/tilting/"WOW!" crap is far higher framerate than the source footage (watch the pieces of debris falling and how "stuttery" their movement looks, to get a sense of the framerate of the original footage). Now the question is: who added the stupid cinematic effects?
        d1sxeyes 3y ago
        To be fair, if we're watching a 25fps iPhone recording of 12fps feed being played through a 60Hz monitor, the "zooming/tilting/"WOW!" crap" would keep the iPhone framerate, so it doesn't necessarily tell us it was done in post, although I agree that some of the frame-to-frame jumps in pan/zoom suggest these are not natural movements and that them being added in post for dramatic effect (or as another commenter suggested, to obscure potentially compromising information) seems to be a very plausible explanation.
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gumballindie 3y ago

I am confused. I dont find the level of detail impressive at all. Image quality looks just a little bit above consumer grade quality.

tiku 3y ago
I watched the footage and was expecting facial details / recognition. But none of that.

Havoc 3y ago

I'd imagine this heli was flying pretty low